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A point gained

As weekends in the Premier League go, our 0-0 which kicked off the weekend will be quickly forgotten by most.

Lets face it, while the point was enough to put us top of the Premier League for the early part of Saturday afternoon, once Manchester City had put five past Tottenham and Manchester United had put eight past Arsenal a dull no score draw with Villa was hardly high up on the headlines.

That said, for us it was a good point. Aston Villa had far more chances and clear cut ones at that (not hard when the stats show we had three attempts at goal in 90 minutes) so to come away with a point is a positive.

It leaves us still undefeated after three games and on seven points at the end of August, a tally that took us till October to reach last season.

It might not have been pretty, we might have had our backs to the wall, but come May, it's a point gained.

'They were pumped up for 15 minutes in second half and had a really good spell, as much to do with us failing to keep the ball and not passing it to someone in a gold shirt.' McCarthy told the BBC.

He added: 'But we had a good barrier to block them. There were some good blocks and saves.

'Would I take a point at Villa with Bent, Heskey, N'Zogbia and Agbonlahor? Too right I would.'

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Writer: Akela Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday August 29 2011

Time: 11:00AM

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I think Mick really summed it up when he reeled off those names. As stated on another thread I was preparing to evacuate from the hurricane but I still managed to see the second half. The spell they had was pretty absurd- they threw everything at us and I am not sure how we managed to keep a clean sheet- we did however and 2 from 3? I don't think we have managed that in the Premiership, or back to back clean sheets? Maybe I am wrong but either way I will certainly take that. Can't wait for the Tottenham game because it will certainly be a lot different to a local derby- this one had a strange feel about it and the atmosphere has been described as oddly subdued- I would like to hear from folks who were able to make it to the game. 7 points from 3 games it has been a great start.
New York City Wolf
I think Mick really summed it up when he reeled off those names. As stated on another thread I was preparing to evacuate from the hurricane but I still managed to see the second half. The spell they had was pretty absurd- they threw everything at us and I am not sure how we managed to keep a clean sheet- we did however and 2 from 3? I don't think we have managed that in the Premiership, or back to back clean sheets? Maybe I am wrong but either way I will certainly take that. Can't wait for the Tottenham game because it will certainly be a lot different to a local derby- this one had a strange feel about it and the atmosphere has been described as oddly subdued- I would like to hear from folks who were able to make it to the game. 7 points from 3 games it has been a great start.
New York City Wolf
Would we have held out a little more easily - and even launched a few more attacks of our own- had we signed Dann? I note today that QPR are in the market for the other Blues CD (no, not the one by B.B. King). Surely we can outbid them and wouldn't he like to team up with his old partner again? I suspect there might be a problem over wages and the moneybags sponsoring QPR will probably pay over the odds. At least I can dream for a couple of days.
Southbank60
Would we have held out a little more easily - and even launched a few more attacks of our own- had we signed Dann? I note today that QPR are in the market for the other Blues CD (no, not the one by B.B. King). Surely we can outbid them and wouldn't he like to team up with his old partner again? I suspect there might be a problem over wages and the moneybags sponsoring QPR will probably pay over the odds. At least I can dream for a couple of days.
Southbank60
Southbank i agree still need a couple more faces by my reckoning we only have a 23 man squad and thats with Vokes who has alot to prove MM seems to think the squad is good enough yes we have improved but my concern is if we get injuries to certain players we are going to struggle once again.As the Villa game showed we were getting over run and had to take 2 of our best attacking players of to help shore up the midfield and defence and this against a Villa team that i dont think is much better than us surely signing a couple more HM and another CH would give us alot more stability and more options when we face the better teams i just dont understand.
kiawolves
Southbank i agree still need a couple more faces by my reckoning we only have a 23 man squad and thats with Vokes who has alot to prove MM seems to think the squad is good enough yes we have improved but my concern is if we get injuries to certain players we are going to struggle once again.As the Villa game showed we were getting over run and had to take 2 of our best attacking players of to help shore up the midfield and defence and this against a Villa team that i dont think is much better than us surely signing a couple more HM and another CH would give us alot more stability and more options when we face the better teams i just dont understand.
kiawolves
A point nicked is a better summing-up of the game. I felt for the Villa fans. At least it was not a complete steal it would have been had the 'penalty', according to Mick, been awarded and converted. Leave aside the colours the players were in. Had the going been the other way round, we would be bemoaning the loss of two points. De Vries has got it all to do to oust Hennessey from the team. I hope he and Vokes come back from the Wales game 100%. Because of the same concern I am glad Jarvis is not in the England squad this time; same goes for Fletcher, in his case it is he himself who does not want to play for his country. Unlike most, if not all, on here,I cannot be involved in the club vs country controversy at all, you see. For me, the only interest is that of the Club. Speaking of Vokes, with SEB out for a month at WW, and Eardley out of the Wales squad,his chance has come on both fronts. Unlike Kia and Southbank, I do no see additions to the squad as necessary. The 2 years' experience has been the real addition to the squad, the arrival of RJ forming only a part of that.
lovesW
A point nicked is a better summing-up of the game. I felt for the Villa fans. At least it was not a complete steal it would have been had the 'penalty', according to Mick, been awarded and converted. Leave aside the colours the players were in. Had the going been the other way round, we would be bemoaning the loss of two points. De Vries has got it all to do to oust Hennessey from the team. I hope he and Vokes come back from the Wales game 100%. Because of the same concern I am glad Jarvis is not in the England squad this time; same goes for Fletcher, in his case it is he himself who does not want to play for his country. Unlike most, if not all, on here,I cannot be involved in the club vs country controversy at all, you see. For me, the only interest is that of the Club. Speaking of Vokes, with SEB out for a month at WW, and Eardley out of the Wales squad,his chance has come on both fronts. Unlike Kia and Southbank, I do no see additions to the squad as necessary. The 2 years' experience has been the real addition to the squad, the arrival of RJ forming only a part of that.
lovesW
I am pleased to see that you endorse my assessment of the match, lovesW. In return, I agree with you that two years' experience in the PL with WW has improved the performance of individual players. As you say, progress cannot be solely down to RJ. However, the evidence of the AV game indicates that we still have some way to go and that we are stretched very thinly in some positions. In particular, injuries at LB, CD, IM and CF would expose the lack of quality in our back-up players. Remember, we were unbeaten at this point last season but thereafter we dropped like a stone. Apart from a few isolated occasions, the stone only turned to cork at the death, bobbing to the surface less than three minutes from the end of the season. We still have the opportunity to prevent this Domesday scenario reoccurring (even the possibility of it happening) ... but we have to be quick and decisive.
Southbank60
I am pleased to see that you endorse my assessment of the match, lovesW. In return, I agree with you that two years' experience in the PL with WW has improved the performance of individual players. As you say, progress cannot be solely down to RJ. However, the evidence of the AV game indicates that we still have some way to go and that we are stretched very thinly in some positions. In particular, injuries at LB, CD, IM and CF would expose the lack of quality in our back-up players. Remember, we were unbeaten at this point last season but thereafter we dropped like a stone. Apart from a few isolated occasions, the stone only turned to cork at the death, bobbing to the surface less than three minutes from the end of the season. We still have the opportunity to prevent this Domesday scenario reoccurring (even the possibility of it happening) ... but we have to be quick and decisive.
Southbank60
Hi guys :) I did not see this game, I was on a trip to High Tatra Mountains in Slovakia during the weekend... We were sleeping in a chalet some 1500 meters above sea but I missed the match too much, so I asked the chalet manager where can I watch Digi sport tv (damm romanian tv that aired the match)... He told me about a hotel 2 hours away.... So I walked 2 hours, pretty rough conditions, almost like jumping from one rock to another :D, to a hotel some 1200 meters above the sea.... only to find out, that they dont have digi sport tv :D........ So another 2 hours walk back :D.... Lol !......... Anyway, when looking at the statistics and your reports, I am happy with the draw. We are very solid :) Now looking forward for Tottenham, we can play very good against them so why couldnt we win it at home ? C mon you Wolves, bite them !
PanFiluta
Hi guys :) I did not see this game, I was on a trip to High Tatra Mountains in Slovakia during the weekend... We were sleeping in a chalet some 1500 meters above sea but I missed the match too much, so I asked the chalet manager where can I watch Digi sport tv (damm romanian tv that aired the match)... He told me about a hotel 2 hours away.... So I walked 2 hours, pretty rough conditions, almost like jumping from one rock to another :D, to a hotel some 1200 meters above the sea.... only to find out, that they dont have digi sport tv :D........ So another 2 hours walk back :D.... Lol !......... Anyway, when looking at the statistics and your reports, I am happy with the draw. We are very solid :) Now looking forward for Tottenham, we can play very good against them so why couldnt we win it at home ? C mon you Wolves, bite them !
PanFiluta
Panfiluta, you missed four hours in the mountains, no football from WW except some excellent saves from Wayne. We will be back to our old, I mean, new, attacking selves against Spurs. The result is another matter; I won't be surprised if it is a case of Instant Karma from the Villa result! And don't be fooled by the 1-5 reverse they suffered. 'Arry will reorganize his troops in time, all right. His -neck, rather than -knapp, is red enough as it is ! Southbank, do you really see us struggling this time around? True, with 5 points from three games....Stoke, Everton (a), and Newcastle, was it?......but MM was defensive in his line-ups and the subs on the bench. This time two strikers seem to be a permanent feature, and the defence is looking like being able to absorb better the oppositions' attacks, so far at least. As you say, that could change with medium-to-long term injuries to Berra and Johnson, say. The bright side will be that the form and overall confidence evident now will have bore upon the rest of the squad. As I see, that is.
lovesW
Panfiluta, you missed four hours in the mountains, no football from WW except some excellent saves from Wayne. We will be back to our old, I mean, new, attacking selves against Spurs. The result is another matter; I won't be surprised if it is a case of Instant Karma from the Villa result! And don't be fooled by the 1-5 reverse they suffered. 'Arry will reorganize his troops in time, all right. His -neck, rather than -knapp, is red enough as it is ! Southbank, do you really see us struggling this time around? True, with 5 points from three games....Stoke, Everton (a), and Newcastle, was it?......but MM was defensive in his line-ups and the subs on the bench. This time two strikers seem to be a permanent feature, and the defence is looking like being able to absorb better the oppositions' attacks, so far at least. As you say, that could change with medium-to-long term injuries to Berra and Johnson, say. The bright side will be that the form and overall confidence evident now will have bore upon the rest of the squad. As I see, that is.
lovesW
LovesW i understand what you are saying i know we have the quantity but do we have the quality in defence or midfield to carry injuriers or suspensions i just dont think we have if you look at last season we had 5 CH now we have4. Strikers we had 6 or 5 depending on WARD LB or CF now we have 4-3 and that includes Vokes who is still not proven at this level MF yes it looks strong but what happens if we loose Ohara i think our most influential player for the time hes been there if injured who takes over i know we have Edwards or gourdiaire to come back but on ability are these on the same level as Ohara will they have the same impact as to what Ohara has MADE i just hope MM thinks we have enough not 2 struggle once again. And if we do survive in midtable does that mean we just spend enough to stay their or do we want to improve which would mean spending more on transfers and higher wages i am sorry if you think this is puting Wolves down but it is not you have to look at the bigger picture if we spend the money on quality higher up the league we finish more money comes in the more money to spend surely with are tradition we should be up their with MU MC CHELSEA ARSENAL LIVERPOOL not playing second fiddle UTW.
kiawolves
LovesW i understand what you are saying i know we have the quantity but do we have the quality in defence or midfield to carry injuriers or suspensions i just dont think we have if you look at last season we had 5 CH now we have4. Strikers we had 6 or 5 depending on WARD LB or CF now we have 4-3 and that includes Vokes who is still not proven at this level MF yes it looks strong but what happens if we loose Ohara i think our most influential player for the time hes been there if injured who takes over i know we have Edwards or gourdiaire to come back but on ability are these on the same level as Ohara will they have the same impact as to what Ohara has MADE i just hope MM thinks we have enough not 2 struggle once again. And if we do survive in midtable does that mean we just spend enough to stay their or do we want to improve which would mean spending more on transfers and higher wages i am sorry if you think this is puting Wolves down but it is not you have to look at the bigger picture if we spend the money on quality higher up the league we finish more money comes in the more money to spend surely with are tradition we should be up their with MU MC CHELSEA ARSENAL LIVERPOOL not playing second fiddle UTW.
kiawolves
Kia, I am pleased, extremely pleased. Your last point, I mean. I do not remenber when someone said something to that effect on here. It is my view too...BUT, it is clear, and I totally agree, that those running the Club want to build gradually; the examples of the likes of Portsmouth and Southampton are proof enough that the financial position of the Club must ever be foremost in mind. In WW's case it has become like a shackles, CEO and Chairman over-wary of moves in the transfer market which could de-stabilise that, taking consolation in the progress made thus far and aiming for a little more progress in the forseeable future. This is the policy. All but adventurous; safe, yes, but not negative. Football fans are well known for being impatient. Even those like myself whose age can hardly permit to be patient - I am 61 -should have the long-term view in the interest of the Club alone. Should they themselves make it to catch something of the realization of that view, so much the better.
lovesW
Kia, I am pleased, extremely pleased. Your last point, I mean. I do not remenber when someone said something to that effect on here. It is my view too...BUT, it is clear, and I totally agree, that those running the Club want to build gradually; the examples of the likes of Portsmouth and Southampton are proof enough that the financial position of the Club must ever be foremost in mind. In WW's case it has become like a shackles, CEO and Chairman over-wary of moves in the transfer market which could de-stabilise that, taking consolation in the progress made thus far and aiming for a little more progress in the forseeable future. This is the policy. All but adventurous; safe, yes, but not negative. Football fans are well known for being impatient. Even those like myself whose age can hardly permit to be patient - I am 61 -should have the long-term view in the interest of the Club alone. Should they themselves make it to catch something of the realization of that view, so much the better.
lovesW
LovesW: I agree with your argument that we are better placed this season: we are tighter at the back and this will allow us to operate a 4-4-2 system more regularly and thereby score more goals. Thus, we should pick up more points. But, I also support kiawoves's point about a lack of quality cover, never mind my own niggling concern about the ability of one or two of the front-line players. We do need another CF, IM, CD and LB and even lovesW believes we should venture some our money. We could get Dann today but it depends on MM forgiving him for the slight two years ago. Our manager, for all his bonhomie, seems touchy in such matters.
Southbank60
LovesW: I agree with your argument that we are better placed this season: we are tighter at the back and this will allow us to operate a 4-4-2 system more regularly and thereby score more goals. Thus, we should pick up more points. But, I also support kiawoves's point about a lack of quality cover, never mind my own niggling concern about the ability of one or two of the front-line players. We do need another CF, IM, CD and LB and even lovesW believes we should venture some our money. We could get Dann today but it depends on MM forgiving him for the slight two years ago. Our manager, for all his bonhomie, seems touchy in such matters.
Southbank60
The problem comes with the fact of who we could bring in, without breaking our wage structure, I really don't believe that the quality is out there. I don't want to do with make do signings. We had too many years of that. I think that we are better placed than we have ever been, and yes cover is a worry, but I am sure that this is the same for other teams out there. The fact is that the squad has developed and grown. We can move forward. I think that this season we will score more goals. I think in Midfield we are strong and have options. Defence is the worry for me. The fact is RJ has made a difference already, but we really do need another if not two defensive signings. Then berra and stearman can be the cover!
supersparkes
The problem comes with the fact of who we could bring in, without breaking our wage structure, I really don't believe that the quality is out there. I don't want to do with make do signings. We had too many years of that. I think that we are better placed than we have ever been, and yes cover is a worry, but I am sure that this is the same for other teams out there. The fact is that the squad has developed and grown. We can move forward. I think that this season we will score more goals. I think in Midfield we are strong and have options. Defence is the worry for me. The fact is RJ has made a difference already, but we really do need another if not two defensive signings. Then berra and stearman can be the cover!
supersparkes
Spot on, supersparkes. I agree with a realistic wage structure but, as you suggest, it means that we cannot attract quality players. I note that Blackburn have agreed of 5m for Dann, a sum we could match. However, Blackburn's management is probably offering over the odds for his wages and that puts him beyond our reach (leaving aside MM's opinion of him). Only time will tell if we should be absolutely rigid on this matter.
Southbank60
Spot on, supersparkes. I agree with a realistic wage structure but, as you suggest, it means that we cannot attract quality players. I note that Blackburn have agreed of 5m for Dann, a sum we could match. However, Blackburn's management is probably offering over the odds for his wages and that puts him beyond our reach (leaving aside MM's opinion of him). Only time will tell if we should be absolutely rigid on this matter.
Southbank60
I think that the wage structure will need to change, but lets not get into the silly days of signing players that are asking to much in regard to wages. another season in the top flight and I am sure we will start attracting bigger players!
supersparkes
I think that the wage structure will need to change, but lets not get into the silly days of signing players that are asking to much in regard to wages. another season in the top flight and I am sure we will start attracting bigger players!
supersparkes
Perhaps not yet in another season, SS - but when the stature of the Club permits. It may be 5 seasons, eight, ten...I don't know. I know that if the path is the right one, the destination is only a matter of time.
lovesW
Perhaps not yet in another season, SS - but when the stature of the Club permits. It may be 5 seasons, eight, ten...I don't know. I know that if the path is the right one, the destination is only a matter of time.
lovesW
....and, Southbank, which lines of mine were you reading between that prompted you to write that ' even lovesW believes that we should venture some (of) our money' ? All my argument throughout has been for common sense and financial stability first and foremost, in line with Club policy. It is not the first time that I find a Geordie animal voice in my mind singing: please don't let me be misunderstood. Honest! And as for these established stars, 'gods' I call them, that many seem eager to attract to Molineux - wherever they play they want to run the show themselves, some even fancy themselves as managers and all the while disrupt the dressing room, when not their club itself with their arrogance and rash comments. I suspect we have such a one in the making already. It is alright to read between the lines here; in fact, I invite you to do so, but that is only because it will be impossible for you to be off the mark. The reason the squad get on so well together is precisely because of the absence of such gods. With guidance, good players may, just may, be prevented from overgrowing their heads, but if they are big-headed already when they arrive.....
lovesW
....and, Southbank, which lines of mine were you reading between that prompted you to write that ' even lovesW believes that we should venture some (of) our money' ? All my argument throughout has been for common sense and financial stability first and foremost, in line with Club policy. It is not the first time that I find a Geordie animal voice in my mind singing: please don't let me be misunderstood. Honest! And as for these established stars, 'gods' I call them, that many seem eager to attract to Molineux - wherever they play they want to run the show themselves, some even fancy themselves as managers and all the while disrupt the dressing room, when not their club itself with their arrogance and rash comments. I suspect we have such a one in the making already. It is alright to read between the lines here; in fact, I invite you to do so, but that is only because it will be impossible for you to be off the mark. The reason the squad get on so well together is precisely because of the absence of such gods. With guidance, good players may, just may, be prevented from overgrowing their heads, but if they are big-headed already when they arrive.....
lovesW
LovesW: here is the extract on which I based my assumption. Note the use of the word 'shackles' to describe WW management's over-cautious policy towards transfers. 'In WW's case it has become like a shackles, CEO and Chairman over-wary of moves in the transfer market which could de-stabilise that, taking consolation in the progress made thus far and aiming for a little more progress in the forseeable future.' Overall, I agree with your argument, especially the point about the need to have a united dressing room ... and the knock-on effect of an over-cautious transfer policy of course!
Southbank60
LovesW: here is the extract on which I based my assumption. Note the use of the word 'shackles' to describe WW management's over-cautious policy towards transfers. 'In WW's case it has become like a shackles, CEO and Chairman over-wary of moves in the transfer market which could de-stabilise that, taking consolation in the progress made thus far and aiming for a little more progress in the forseeable future.' Overall, I agree with your argument, especially the point about the need to have a united dressing room ... and the knock-on effect of an over-cautious transfer policy of course!
Southbank60
The thing is I think that we all agree that we don't want people to come to the club just for the money! We need team players that can get on and work for the club! Look at the fulham game, the players looked like a complete unit! That is where we have grown over the last few years! hunt, is in effect a new signing! Kighly will be back a new signing. SEB will really start to fight for his place! RJ will bring the back four on. I would love to see new signings, but not at the expense of the dressing room!
supersparkes
The thing is I think that we all agree that we don't want people to come to the club just for the money! We need team players that can get on and work for the club! Look at the fulham game, the players looked like a complete unit! That is where we have grown over the last few years! hunt, is in effect a new signing! Kighly will be back a new signing. SEB will really start to fight for his place! RJ will bring the back four on. I would love to see new signings, but not at the expense of the dressing room!
supersparkes
Yes, but we have to be realistic and pay the going rate if we want to attract players of real quality. I like the club's ethos, reflected in a united dressing-room, but one could argue that it condemns us (at best) to lower middle of the table mediocrity. It smacks of a lack of ambition and an admission by management that it cannot cope with players of star quality.
Southbank60
Yes, but we have to be realistic and pay the going rate if we want to attract players of real quality. I like the club's ethos, reflected in a united dressing-room, but one could argue that it condemns us (at best) to lower middle of the table mediocrity. It smacks of a lack of ambition and an admission by management that it cannot cope with players of star quality.
Southbank60
SB60 very true, but how many star player have torn dressing rooms apart over the years. my belief is the longer than Mick is at the club, the bigger the players we will attract! Club first, i remember the likes of Andy Gray coming and being a star, and being absolute rubbish, and a nightmare, the begining of the end then!!
supersparkes
SB60 very true, but how many star player have torn dressing rooms apart over the years. my belief is the longer than Mick is at the club, the bigger the players we will attract! Club first, i remember the likes of Andy Gray coming and being a star, and being absolute rubbish, and a nightmare, the begining of the end then!!
supersparkes
But there's a contradiction in your argument, supersparkes. You argue that star players tear dressing rooms apart, which suggests that we should never sign them. On the other hand, you indicate that we will attract stars the longer that MM remains as manager. That implies that MM cannot cope with stars at the moment but in a couple of years time will be able to do so. That's possible - in the sense that survival for a couple of more years in the PL will give him added status - but I don't really think that it will alter his approach to the job or his management of his players. Let's get one or two hard working quality players in now to fill the gaps and see the team fly. Of course, it's too late now.
Southbank60
But there's a contradiction in your argument, supersparkes. You argue that star players tear dressing rooms apart, which suggests that we should never sign them. On the other hand, you indicate that we will attract stars the longer that MM remains as manager. That implies that MM cannot cope with stars at the moment but in a couple of years time will be able to do so. That's possible - in the sense that survival for a couple of more years in the PL will give him added status - but I don't really think that it will alter his approach to the job or his management of his players. Let's get one or two hard working quality players in now to fill the gaps and see the team fly. Of course, it's too late now.
Southbank60
Southbank: these shakles are self-made, that is what I meant. They are the guard, so to speak, employed by management themselves in order that they may not swerve from their sworn, it would seem, policy of keeping the books balanced. I was speaking for the policy of the Club, that policy is founded on financial stability, and financial stability does not allow 'splashing the cash', all of which I am for. It is not that I wish these shakles were not there, as is normal to wish shakles are not there in ordinary life circumstances. However, I see the cause of the misinterpretation, and it is quite understandable.
lovesW
Southbank: these shakles are self-made, that is what I meant. They are the guard, so to speak, employed by management themselves in order that they may not swerve from their sworn, it would seem, policy of keeping the books balanced. I was speaking for the policy of the Club, that policy is founded on financial stability, and financial stability does not allow 'splashing the cash', all of which I am for. It is not that I wish these shakles were not there, as is normal to wish shakles are not there in ordinary life circumstances. However, I see the cause of the misinterpretation, and it is quite understandable.
lovesW
Yes, the word 'shackles' can be construed either way but, for me, the negative implication is the stronger one. However, now that you have explained your use of the word I will not accuse you of a lack of consistency (though that in itself is not necessarily a virtue since it implies a lack of flexibility and an unwillingness to adapt to changing circumstances ... not that you, unlike the WW management would be that rigid!)
Southbank60
Yes, the word 'shackles' can be construed either way but, for me, the negative implication is the stronger one. However, now that you have explained your use of the word I will not accuse you of a lack of consistency (though that in itself is not necessarily a virtue since it implies a lack of flexibility and an unwillingness to adapt to changing circumstances ... not that you, unlike the WW management would be that rigid!)
Southbank60
 

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