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If there has to be an international break, this weekend was the perfect occasion because my wife`s sister and her husband came over yesterday and stayed the night. The timing, though welcome, was completely fortuitous, because their visits are co-ordinated with the demands of their elder daughter`s family in West London rather than arranged around the WW fixture list.

Perhaps that`s a good thing because, if I can persuade my wife that I had forgone a visit to Molineux yesterday, I will have earned brownie points, thereby reducing the need to go to so many garden centres and DIY stores (and suffering less aggravation for going to see a game in the first place).

Although the week lacked the excitement of a match build-up, I eagerly anticipated the climax of the transfer window. As time passed on Wednesday the Sky Sports presenters became increasingly animated in their reporting of the frantic activity and the huge amount of money being spent ... which just goes to show that they were not WW supporters.

I wasted a whole day watching the action on the TV, and in the Birmingham Mail and Express & Star blogs. I did learn, however, that David Davis was going on loan to ICT. Naturally, I am pleased for the lad but it was hardly what I wanted to hear. I had to go to the pub in the evening so I reluctantly relinquished my watching brief at 8 pm but firmly expected to learn on my return that Jez had pulled off a coup in the last couple of hours. Some hope!

There are two possible reasons for our lack of activity: either management believes that we have a strong enough squad already or that the club cannot afford to invest in the transfer market. Neither is a valid excuse. While we have improved this season (due to the acquisition of JOH and RJ and to the benefits brought about by a second year`s experience in the PL), the AV match indicated that we still have some way to go. In particular, we have gaps to fill and key positions to cover. And because of our vaunted solvency, we can afford to buy in one or two quality replacements. As kiawolves has suggested, the management appears to be rather complacent.

At least the weekend offered the opportunity to watch some WW players in action, if only surreptitiously and when my wife, her sister and husband were otherwise engaged. The ROI match was the obvious highlight but I had to record it because there`s absolutely no chance of commandeering the TV on Friday night, even though I had paid my dues earlier in the day by making the meals and hanging the washing out. I also recorded the Scottish match on Saturday, while the four of us enjoyed the landscape of the North Downs, visited a stately home and partook of afternoon tea (and an ice-cream).

In the event, my wife, tired out by a day painting the spare room, went to bed early on Friday evening and I managed to watch all four matches by constantly clicking between channels. Naturally, I missed all of the goals so I do not know if WH was at fault for the one he let in. How did our players fare? Well, firstly, none of them got crocked (but before we can breathe a sigh of relief they have got to survive Tuesday). Surprisingly, of the three starting outfielders- Berra, Doyle and Ward- the defenders performed the best.

Ward, in particular, had a good game. Although he still exhibited his tendency to back off, he made crucial tackles and interceptions, and looked good going forward. Berra`s fortunes were more mixed but on balance he put in a solid display. While his play was not without fault, he tackled , blocked, intercepted and headed well. If he did fall over in the box in extra time, at least Hubnik did trip him unlike the unwarranted dive Rezek took a couple of minutes earlier. Uncharacteristically, Doyle was subdued and rather tentative, seemingly lacking in confidence. It therefore came as no surprise when he was substituted in the 63rd. minute. Hunt came on for ten minutes and, although he buzzed around, he did not have much of a chance to influence the outcome.

In contrast, this week I will be able to look forward to a trip up to Molineux on Saturday as well as suffer the anxieties of the internationals on Tuesday. Let`s hope the club`s representatives all return unscathed because I think that the match against the Spurs is going to be a cracker. While I am pleased that we did not sell Doyle and Jarvis in the window (that`s some consolation), I would have preferred to see a Spurs team shorn of Bale and Modric trot out (and they have acquired Friedel, Adebayor and Parker too). I predict a 2-2 draw but would not be adverse to considering a 3-2 win.




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Writer: southbank60 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 4 2011

Time: 9:06PM

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The lack of activity in the transfer market: the first of the two possible reasons you mention, Southbank. Question is, strong enough for what? Certainly not for challenging for a CL spot, as some WW fans would like, but for realizing the immediate target of establishing the Club slowly but solidly in the PL. And the strenghtening has not got to do solely with the acquisition of new players, with the transfer market, that is, but, more importantly, with how far the players available have come, how far they have strenghtened individually, reflecting an overall strenghtening of the team - aye, of the much-maligned defence, who have conceded only once in three PL games. The improvement has been just short of remarkable, hence it has convinced MM that, with the back-line tightened and the deployment of two strikers instead of one, the goal difference should end up with a plus sign, signifying a mid-table position, a satisfactory achievement for the third season in the PL, especially given the end-of-season tension of the last two, particularly the last one. Will the good run thus far continue? ??????? So I am eager for the Spurs game, and eager to see what kind of game is delivered by the team, rather than for the result.
lovesW
The lack of activity in the transfer market: the first of the two possible reasons you mention, Southbank. Question is, strong enough for what? Certainly not for challenging for a CL spot, as some WW fans would like, but for realizing the immediate target of establishing the Club slowly but solidly in the PL. And the strenghtening has not got to do solely with the acquisition of new players, with the transfer market, that is, but, more importantly, with how far the players available have come, how far they have strenghtened individually, reflecting an overall strenghtening of the team - aye, of the much-maligned defence, who have conceded only once in three PL games. The improvement has been just short of remarkable, hence it has convinced MM that, with the back-line tightened and the deployment of two strikers instead of one, the goal difference should end up with a plus sign, signifying a mid-table position, a satisfactory achievement for the third season in the PL, especially given the end-of-season tension of the last two, particularly the last one. Will the good run thus far continue? ??????? So I am eager for the Spurs game, and eager to see what kind of game is delivered by the team, rather than for the result.
lovesW
LovesW: at the moment the 3Ms seem to aim no higher than survival and on current form that should be possible (for reasons we both agree on). But, can we really be sure? After all, we were in this position last year and it then went horribly wrong. It's too early to tell whether we really have advanced. Inconsistency among the defenders was the problem and that could happen again this season. If that occurred, we would have to revert to a 4-5-1 system and goals would dry up too. Moreover, we lack cover in key positions and injuries and loss of form could be disastrous. The management gambled on doing the minimum possible to ensure survival and, fingers crossed, it might be enough. Personally, I would want more back-up ... and that's leaving aside the issue of making progress in the PL. Their actions suggest that the 3Ms are complacent and lacking in ambition. To be charitable, I can accept a third year of survival but at some point the club has to move forward.
Southbank60
LovesW: at the moment the 3Ms seem to aim no higher than survival and on current form that should be possible (for reasons we both agree on). But, can we really be sure? After all, we were in this position last year and it then went horribly wrong. It's too early to tell whether we really have advanced. Inconsistency among the defenders was the problem and that could happen again this season. If that occurred, we would have to revert to a 4-5-1 system and goals would dry up too. Moreover, we lack cover in key positions and injuries and loss of form could be disastrous. The management gambled on doing the minimum possible to ensure survival and, fingers crossed, it might be enough. Personally, I would want more back-up ... and that's leaving aside the issue of making progress in the PL. Their actions suggest that the 3Ms are complacent and lacking in ambition. To be charitable, I can accept a third year of survival but at some point the club has to move forward.
Southbank60
I have tried to outline the perspective of things from the 3Ms' side, Southbank. It is certainly true that should the team be hit by injuries, and, worse, in my opnion, by a loss of form, most of all by the repetition of those 'bad days at the office', then adieu to mid-table and back to checking on the points cushion seperating WW from the third-bottom team. Then your fears now would turn out to have been justified, as would your bemoaning the lack of activity in the transfer market. But I see no reason for all this. I will be the my usual optimistic self and forecast a steady season, a better showing against those teams 'around us'...........I have worked out something in this regard, all adding up to the fact that had those wins against the top clubs last season been against the ones that finished in the lower third of the table instead, WW would have been out of the relegation fight before Survival Sunday'. Well,we shall see. I cannot say more.
lovesW
I have tried to outline the perspective of things from the 3Ms' side, Southbank. It is certainly true that should the team be hit by injuries, and, worse, in my opnion, by a loss of form, most of all by the repetition of those 'bad days at the office', then adieu to mid-table and back to checking on the points cushion seperating WW from the third-bottom team. Then your fears now would turn out to have been justified, as would your bemoaning the lack of activity in the transfer market. But I see no reason for all this. I will be the my usual optimistic self and forecast a steady season, a better showing against those teams 'around us'...........I have worked out something in this regard, all adding up to the fact that had those wins against the top clubs last season been against the ones that finished in the lower third of the table instead, WW would have been out of the relegation fight before Survival Sunday'. Well,we shall see. I cannot say more.
lovesW
LovesW I like you believe that we do need to perform better against the teams around us. The fact is you cannot have people sat around just in case of injuries. but I see us going on again this season, and not having to go through survival Sunday! I will stick with prediction of 12th-14th and if we do acheive that then I will be a very happy hector!
SUPERSPARKES
LovesW I like you believe that we do need to perform better against the teams around us. The fact is you cannot have people sat around just in case of injuries. but I see us going on again this season, and not having to go through survival Sunday! I will stick with prediction of 12th-14th and if we do acheive that then I will be a very happy hector!
SUPERSPARKES
Very well, SS, if it is time to stick our necks out with predictions: your highest is my lowest: 8th to 12th, and I do not say higher than eighth, because MM will see to it that it is not higher than eighth!! Understood?
lovesW
Very well, SS, if it is time to stick our necks out with predictions: your highest is my lowest: 8th to 12th, and I do not say higher than eighth, because MM will see to it that it is not higher than eighth!! Understood?
lovesW
Although I am often accused of being negative, it's because of my cautious nature, albeit of a different kind to the one exhibited to the 3Ms. I would not have left survival to the vagaries of form and fitness, preferring to ensure it by purchasing players to eliminate weaknesses and provide adequate cover. And we could have done it without paying out silly money. The 3Ms, on the other hand, are ultra-cautious with the cash, gambling on form and fitness to see us through. We also differ over our approach to ground improvements. While we all drool over the prospect of watching WW in plush surroundings, I would have prioritised spending money on a solid PL team rather than on a potential white elephant. Maybe we will achieve both objectives but the uncertainty is going to make this an exciting season ... or two!
Southbank60
Although I am often accused of being negative, it's because of my cautious nature, albeit of a different kind to the one exhibited to the 3Ms. I would not have left survival to the vagaries of form and fitness, preferring to ensure it by purchasing players to eliminate weaknesses and provide adequate cover. And we could have done it without paying out silly money. The 3Ms, on the other hand, are ultra-cautious with the cash, gambling on form and fitness to see us through. We also differ over our approach to ground improvements. While we all drool over the prospect of watching WW in plush surroundings, I would have prioritised spending money on a solid PL team rather than on a potential white elephant. Maybe we will achieve both objectives but the uncertainty is going to make this an exciting season ... or two!
Southbank60
LovesW I have to admit that Micks comment on the Europa league and if we are in with a shout of the fairplay he would kick someone down the tunnel...classic Mick. I would settle for eighth. SB60 I think that the ground improvements are needed. The thing is I don't see it as a lack of willingness to spend, just on the right players, and if they couldn't get the right players then why make do!
SUPERSPARKES
LovesW I have to admit that Micks comment on the Europa league and if we are in with a shout of the fairplay he would kick someone down the tunnel...classic Mick. I would settle for eighth. SB60 I think that the ground improvements are needed. The thing is I don't see it as a lack of willingness to spend, just on the right players, and if they couldn't get the right players then why make do!
SUPERSPARKES
So, what were his scouts doing, Supersparkes? Perhaps they couldn't get the 3Ms to listen to them, distracted, as they were, by counting and recounting the piles of cash in their treasure chest.
Southbank60
So, what were his scouts doing, Supersparkes? Perhaps they couldn't get the 3Ms to listen to them, distracted, as they were, by counting and recounting the piles of cash in their treasure chest.
Southbank60
SB60 it's not just about the money, its about getting the team right. Look what we did a few years back, spent loads on rubbish players, payed too much in wages, and got nowhere. I for one don't want a return to that.
SUPERSPARKES
SB60 it's not just about the money, its about getting the team right. Look what we did a few years back, spent loads on rubbish players, payed too much in wages, and got nowhere. I for one don't want a return to that.
SUPERSPARKES
Absolutely, SS: I have constantly emphasized the need for care, both in terms of the money we spend and the players we buy with it. The acquisition of JAH and RJ represents excellent value for money but by themselves they do not secure our future beyond doubt. We could have - and should have- brought in one or two more players of the right sort to fill the gaps and provide the cover. At the very least we need a back-up CD and LB. At the moment we are a little thin upfront too, though perhaps McFadden well help us out here, that is, if his dodgy knee stands up to it.
Southbank60
Absolutely, SS: I have constantly emphasized the need for care, both in terms of the money we spend and the players we buy with it. The acquisition of JAH and RJ represents excellent value for money but by themselves they do not secure our future beyond doubt. We could have - and should have- brought in one or two more players of the right sort to fill the gaps and provide the cover. At the very least we need a back-up CD and LB. At the moment we are a little thin upfront too, though perhaps McFadden well help us out here, that is, if his dodgy knee stands up to it.
Southbank60
Casting my mind back to the discussions on these threads,during the early weeks of the close-season, I can't remember one single instance of a post predicting JOH & RJ (plus bench-warming goalie) would be the end of our activity in the transfer market. It was quite the opposite, to the point that anyone suggesting it then, would have been derided for it. Calculations were being made of how much we "had left" in the kitty (based,remember,on the reported 5mill for O'Hara and 7mill for Johnson). When the real figures were made known, we found out that we'd paid less than 8mill for the pair. Even more left in the pot then...we thought.Some(admittedly not much) cash had been logged in the receivables column,as a result of a clear-out. The presumption was that the kitty would be similar to that of previous seasons,i.e in the region of 15million.Again, I don't remember any post suggesting that an amount that size was in anyway an "over-spend", or that anyone expecting that kind of spending was being unrealistic. As the weeks went by it became quite clear that we'd over estimated what our transfer activity was going to be.I don't think for a second that MM refused any funds made available to him and I absolve him entirely of any part in the decision.So, that gets us down to two M's.Moxey,mmmmm. I'm ready to believe that Morgan passed his decision down to his CEO and that Moxey passed it down to Mick.The two possibilities that I see behind the decision were a) MM was told he had a cash budget of around 8-10 million to play with and that he would have to raise any further funds himself by shifting on existing playing staff, first team or otherwise...or b) the total liquid asset of the club,available for spend, at year end April 2011 was to have 16million subtracted for the stadium spend and the rest was what there was for transfers.That there had never been any intention to match previous years but that if MM had sold any of our star names,then those funds would have been invested in replacements.The point I wanted to make was that i don't believe we should see it as a "3M's",decision.Two of them at most.In a nut-shell MM spent and raised as much as he was able, in my view. Either that or he's the first manager in his position to turn down the chance of streathening his squad and I don't believe he is.
all4divisions
Casting my mind back to the discussions on these threads,during the early weeks of the close-season, I can't remember one single instance of a post predicting JOH & RJ (plus bench-warming goalie) would be the end of our activity in the transfer market. It was quite the opposite, to the point that anyone suggesting it then, would have been derided for it. Calculations were being made of how much we "had left" in the kitty (based,remember,on the reported 5mill for O'Hara and 7mill for Johnson). When the real figures were made known, we found out that we'd paid less than 8mill for the pair. Even more left in the pot then...we thought.Some(admittedly not much) cash had been logged in the receivables column,as a result of a clear-out. The presumption was that the kitty would be similar to that of previous seasons,i.e in the region of 15million.Again, I don't remember any post suggesting that an amount that size was in anyway an "over-spend", or that anyone expecting that kind of spending was being unrealistic. As the weeks went by it became quite clear that we'd over estimated what our transfer activity was going to be.I don't think for a second that MM refused any funds made available to him and I absolve him entirely of any part in the decision.So, that gets us down to two M's.Moxey,mmmmm. I'm ready to believe that Morgan passed his decision down to his CEO and that Moxey passed it down to Mick.The two possibilities that I see behind the decision were a) MM was told he had a cash budget of around 8-10 million to play with and that he would have to raise any further funds himself by shifting on existing playing staff, first team or otherwise...or b) the total liquid asset of the club,available for spend, at year end April 2011 was to have 16million subtracted for the stadium spend and the rest was what there was for transfers.That there had never been any intention to match previous years but that if MM had sold any of our star names,then those funds would have been invested in replacements.The point I wanted to make was that i don't believe we should see it as a "3M's",decision.Two of them at most.In a nut-shell MM spent and raised as much as he was able, in my view. Either that or he's the first manager in his position to turn down the chance of streathening his squad and I don't believe he is.
all4divisions
A4D: good point,well argued.
Southbank60
A4D: good point,well argued.
Southbank60
I just think that Mick was after specific targets, and I really do not believe that the finances were the stumbling block, unles fees were way too high or wages were stupid. I think that he wasn't for whatever reason able to get his desired players and thats it, nothing to do with the unwillingness to spend. get the right players in , and if they weren't available then move on!
SUPERSPARKES
I just think that Mick was after specific targets, and I really do not believe that the finances were the stumbling block, unles fees were way too high or wages were stupid. I think that he wasn't for whatever reason able to get his desired players and thats it, nothing to do with the unwillingness to spend. get the right players in , and if they weren't available then move on!
SUPERSPARKES
As we know MM rated Dann, presumably his wages were the stumbling block. By deadline day, we could have bought him for millions of pounds less than the price we were willing to pay at the end of last season.
Southbank60
As we know MM rated Dann, presumably his wages were the stumbling block. By deadline day, we could have bought him for millions of pounds less than the price we were willing to pay at the end of last season.
Southbank60
SS-you may well be spot on, we may even find out in the fullness of time.Either way, more was expected, at least early on....Another good read SB, a draw against Spurs would be grand. There's been worse times to be playing Spurs, I reckon, and although you point out that Modric is still there, it is under some duress...the world knows he wants to be at Chelsea.That must have an effect on the dressing-room.Losing to Tottingham home or away is no disgrace, regardless, and won't be the end of the world or overly indicative of where the season is going.I think most people's money would be on them finishing above us,so, as with Villa, a point was/would be a good point.
all4divisions
SS-you may well be spot on, we may even find out in the fullness of time.Either way, more was expected, at least early on....Another good read SB, a draw against Spurs would be grand. There's been worse times to be playing Spurs, I reckon, and although you point out that Modric is still there, it is under some duress...the world knows he wants to be at Chelsea.That must have an effect on the dressing-room.Losing to Tottingham home or away is no disgrace, regardless, and won't be the end of the world or overly indicative of where the season is going.I think most people's money would be on them finishing above us,so, as with Villa, a point was/would be a good point.
all4divisions
I will take a point A4D, I thnk that your righ about Modric, lets hope that they are not in the right frame of mind on Saturday! I forgot to say though SB60 Good article!! Cheers, and it has brought out some really good debate as well.
SUPERSPARKES
I will take a point A4D, I thnk that your righ about Modric, lets hope that they are not in the right frame of mind on Saturday! I forgot to say though SB60 Good article!! Cheers, and it has brought out some really good debate as well.
SUPERSPARKES
I think it was ODDJOB that said he'd seen Pulis quoted as saying that Dann was asking for 65k a week,when Stoke were showing an interest.If that is the case then that is too much for us and where we are in our development. There has to be a limit and that's definitely going beyond where ours should be.
all4divisions
I think it was ODDJOB that said he'd seen Pulis quoted as saying that Dann was asking for 65k a week,when Stoke were showing an interest.If that is the case then that is too much for us and where we are in our development. There has to be a limit and that's definitely going beyond where ours should be.
all4divisions
To true, and now you see why Brum are in trouble! Same happened at Pompey, Leeds, Southampton, players on unsubstainable wages!!
SUPERSPARKES
To true, and now you see why Brum are in trouble! Same happened at Pompey, Leeds, Southampton, players on unsubstainable wages!!
SUPERSPARKES
If that were the case, Dann is certainly beyond our means. I hope he lives to regret his decision and goes down with BR. Mind you, with him and Samba in the centre of their defence, they'll be strong at the back.
Southbank60
If that were the case, Dann is certainly beyond our means. I hope he lives to regret his decision and goes down with BR. Mind you, with him and Samba in the centre of their defence, they'll be strong at the back.
Southbank60
I'd echo your sentiment entirely,SB.Greed is what it is. I'm a massive fan of the massive Samba. Best news of the season so far was that he was not fit to play us.We can't complain we haven't had a bit of luck with the opening fixtures. I think we'd all rather play Blackburn without Samba, and now Dann, blocking the way.Fulham and Villa both with new managers and Spurs with all their distractions.COYW!
all4divisions
I'd echo your sentiment entirely,SB.Greed is what it is. I'm a massive fan of the massive Samba. Best news of the season so far was that he was not fit to play us.We can't complain we haven't had a bit of luck with the opening fixtures. I think we'd all rather play Blackburn without Samba, and now Dann, blocking the way.Fulham and Villa both with new managers and Spurs with all their distractions.COYW!
all4divisions
A4D: My view on the M's is the direct opposite of yours. I agree that the lack of spending was not down to all 3 of the M's. I disagree on one small point - in my view, it was all MM's decision - satisfied as he was with the improvement seen thus far, he was ready to consider signing players only if they were the right ones and absolutely necessary to bring in. I am with you there too. The Chairman's objective is to see the Club move forward, the facts show that he has invested in the Club and keeps on investing, the CEO being but his mouthpiece. Since this is so, it must be that the two act only on the advice of the manager, not the manager on courses of action dictated by them.
lovesW
A4D: My view on the M's is the direct opposite of yours. I agree that the lack of spending was not down to all 3 of the M's. I disagree on one small point - in my view, it was all MM's decision - satisfied as he was with the improvement seen thus far, he was ready to consider signing players only if they were the right ones and absolutely necessary to bring in. I am with you there too. The Chairman's objective is to see the Club move forward, the facts show that he has invested in the Club and keeps on investing, the CEO being but his mouthpiece. Since this is so, it must be that the two act only on the advice of the manager, not the manager on courses of action dictated by them.
lovesW
Weighing up A4D's hypothesis (SM delegates financial decisions to JM, who tells MM the size of his budget) against the one put forward by lovesW (MM tells SM and JM how much money he wants and they meekly give it to him), I plump for the former interpretation.
Southbank60
Weighing up A4D's hypothesis (SM delegates financial decisions to JM, who tells MM the size of his budget) against the one put forward by lovesW (MM tells SM and JM how much money he wants and they meekly give it to him), I plump for the former interpretation.
Southbank60
...meaning, Southbank, that SM has restricted MM's budget, is that it? But there are no grounds for this assumption; the grounds are for SM having pumped cash into the Club since assuming the chair. Why would he restrict himself now ? .... no; on the other hand, that improvement has been seen by all three M's, that MM declares that he is satisfied with the squad as it is, and that confidence is evident both on and off the field, are facts which, as I see, were instrumental in convincing MM, who in turn impressed JM and SM in this direction, not to venture further in the transfer market.
lovesW
...meaning, Southbank, that SM has restricted MM's budget, is that it? But there are no grounds for this assumption; the grounds are for SM having pumped cash into the Club since assuming the chair. Why would he restrict himself now ? .... no; on the other hand, that improvement has been seen by all three M's, that MM declares that he is satisfied with the squad as it is, and that confidence is evident both on and off the field, are facts which, as I see, were instrumental in convincing MM, who in turn impressed JM and SM in this direction, not to venture further in the transfer market.
lovesW
OK, so let's picture the scene, lovesW: SM and JM are trying to press money into MM's hand and he is telling them to take it away! If that were so and he really thought he could not improve on the squad, complacency still rules at Molineux.
Southbank60
OK, so let's picture the scene, lovesW: SM and JM are trying to press money into MM's hand and he is telling them to take it away! If that were so and he really thought he could not improve on the squad, complacency still rules at Molineux.
Southbank60
Iu believe that MM was probably after several more targets, but the deal wasn't right. It's true that the squad have improved, and sometimes too many signings can cause problems. sunderland are going to struggle, how many players did they bring in, and can you really see all of them being of benefit to the team. at least we had the opportunity to bring in players unlike other sides. And we didn't panic in the last few days of the transfer window. I don't think that it is complacency at all. Mick beleives in his players, and for me that is what I want from a manager, not someone who throw money around just because they can!
SUPERSPARKES
Iu believe that MM was probably after several more targets, but the deal wasn't right. It's true that the squad have improved, and sometimes too many signings can cause problems. sunderland are going to struggle, how many players did they bring in, and can you really see all of them being of benefit to the team. at least we had the opportunity to bring in players unlike other sides. And we didn't panic in the last few days of the transfer window. I don't think that it is complacency at all. Mick beleives in his players, and for me that is what I want from a manager, not someone who throw money around just because they can!
SUPERSPARKES
lovesW-if you're right, then WWFC is the only business in the world where the reporting lines run in reverse...SS-I think SB's remark about complacency was in answer to the idea that MM was turning down funds.If that were the case(!), then I think complacency is quite a mild way of expressing his negligence.I'm willing to accept that he may have had targets he couldn't land but not that he turned down the opportunity to even look-so satisfied was he.
all4divisions
lovesW-if you're right, then WWFC is the only business in the world where the reporting lines run in reverse...SS-I think SB's remark about complacency was in answer to the idea that MM was turning down funds.If that were the case(!), then I think complacency is quite a mild way of expressing his negligence.I'm willing to accept that he may have had targets he couldn't land but not that he turned down the opportunity to even look-so satisfied was he.
all4divisions
I really do hope that he was looking, if he wasn't then things are very wrong at the Mol. I don't think that they are.
SUPERSPARKES
I really do hope that he was looking, if he wasn't then things are very wrong at the Mol. I don't think that they are.
SUPERSPARKES
My understanding, based on the transfer activity of the last couple of years, is that MM evaluates the situaton, the strenght or otherwise of the squad in hand, then requests funds accordingly. Just up from the Championship, with no experience of PL, the deals started coming in from the word go - not going into whether those deals later proved to be the right or not. The point is the degree of action in line with MM's assessment of the strenght of the squad at his disposal. The following year the signings were less in number, and in this one they numbered only three. So it is not that SM and JM are trying to press money into MM's hand, as you have it, Southbank, nor again that MM is being denied the funds by J&SM. The funds are available, as they have been all along, when MM sees the necessity to be given them. SS seems to me to be the one nearest to getting my point, and by that I do not mean that I expect him or others to agree. I only want to make my point clear.
lovesW
My understanding, based on the transfer activity of the last couple of years, is that MM evaluates the situaton, the strenght or otherwise of the squad in hand, then requests funds accordingly. Just up from the Championship, with no experience of PL, the deals started coming in from the word go - not going into whether those deals later proved to be the right or not. The point is the degree of action in line with MM's assessment of the strenght of the squad at his disposal. The following year the signings were less in number, and in this one they numbered only three. So it is not that SM and JM are trying to press money into MM's hand, as you have it, Southbank, nor again that MM is being denied the funds by J&SM. The funds are available, as they have been all along, when MM sees the necessity to be given them. SS seems to me to be the one nearest to getting my point, and by that I do not mean that I expect him or others to agree. I only want to make my point clear.
lovesW
LovesW I get your point and that the one I am trying to make as well. The whole funds things is in my opinion not a problem, it's there for the right players. People may say that he should of brought in player X, Y or Z. but if he was after players A and B and the deal wasn't right then thats what he is employed for!
SUPERSPARKES
LovesW I get your point and that the one I am trying to make as well. The whole funds things is in my opinion not a problem, it's there for the right players. People may say that he should of brought in player X, Y or Z. but if he was after players A and B and the deal wasn't right then thats what he is employed for!
SUPERSPARKES
I start from the premise that our team could be improved, should be improved and would be improved if we spent some of the money at our disposal. The problem, as LW and SS point out, is to attract the right players, in terms of quality, price and attitude. Their view is that, if we cannot buy A and B, we should not bid for X,Y or Z. If managers of clubs like WW stuck rigidly to this policy, it would be a mark of incompetence. For all sorts of reasons, many of them obvious, such clubs cannot guarantee to sign up specific players. If a manager left it at that and with a shrug of his shoulders got on with the difficult task of making do with his existing squad, he would not only have made his job that much harder but would also have done his club a disservice. Having identified key areas to improve, whether to remedy weaknesses or to provide adequate support, for the manager the purchase of replacements or additions becomes an imperative (within budgetary limits of course). Surely, managers of non-elite clubs draw up a list of targets, helped by scouts’ reports and their own observations, and negotiate with several players, their clubs and agents. One of a number of players could do the job. At WW the management did not seem to try too hard at the end of the transfer window, arguably because of a belief that the squad was good enough. I contest this supposition, at least until I have further evidence to the contrary. Moreover, even if we accept that Berra and Ward are playing better this year –and at the moment they are- we need another CD and a LB, if only as back-up. Not to bring in two players in these positions seems to me to smack of unwarranted complacency. Loss of form and injuries to key players will make a mockery of the extravagant estimates of our end of season PL position that are currently being posted on this and others sites. One might argue that we could remedy the situation in January but that would be to ignore the evidence of the management’s transfer policy to date: spend the minimal amount possible and pray that it is enough to survive. We were lucky last season and, if our best eleven this year is better on paper, gaps remain and might become mine-shafts over the course of the next few months. We missed an opportunity to put the outcome beyond doubt. I don’t want management to splash out silly money and I am in favour of incremental improvement but it has to be at a level to have some effect. We don’t want the money spent on signing Doyle, Fletcher, Johnson and O’Hara to be in vain.
Southbank60
I start from the premise that our team could be improved, should be improved and would be improved if we spent some of the money at our disposal. The problem, as LW and SS point out, is to attract the right players, in terms of quality, price and attitude. Their view is that, if we cannot buy A and B, we should not bid for X,Y or Z. If managers of clubs like WW stuck rigidly to this policy, it would be a mark of incompetence. For all sorts of reasons, many of them obvious, such clubs cannot guarantee to sign up specific players. If a manager left it at that and with a shrug of his shoulders got on with the difficult task of making do with his existing squad, he would not only have made his job that much harder but would also have done his club a disservice. Having identified key areas to improve, whether to remedy weaknesses or to provide adequate support, for the manager the purchase of replacements or additions becomes an imperative (within budgetary limits of course). Surely, managers of non-elite clubs draw up a list of targets, helped by scouts’ reports and their own observations, and negotiate with several players, their clubs and agents. One of a number of players could do the job. At WW the management did not seem to try too hard at the end of the transfer window, arguably because of a belief that the squad was good enough. I contest this supposition, at least until I have further evidence to the contrary. Moreover, even if we accept that Berra and Ward are playing better this year –and at the moment they are- we need another CD and a LB, if only as back-up. Not to bring in two players in these positions seems to me to smack of unwarranted complacency. Loss of form and injuries to key players will make a mockery of the extravagant estimates of our end of season PL position that are currently being posted on this and others sites. One might argue that we could remedy the situation in January but that would be to ignore the evidence of the management’s transfer policy to date: spend the minimal amount possible and pray that it is enough to survive. We were lucky last season and, if our best eleven this year is better on paper, gaps remain and might become mine-shafts over the course of the next few months. We missed an opportunity to put the outcome beyond doubt. I don’t want management to splash out silly money and I am in favour of incremental improvement but it has to be at a level to have some effect. We don’t want the money spent on signing Doyle, Fletcher, Johnson and O’Hara to be in vain.
Southbank60
SB60 I fully see you point, min is wouldwe attract players as cover who would be willing to sit and wait for injuries. It is a difficult one I know, i really don't think that the management team shruggeed their shoulders. I would have loved to have seen at least three more signing, but they had to be right for the club, thats my main point. Is the quality of player out there, or are they just waiting for the big pay days. I wasn't surprissed that we didn't get a player in from abroad, only Milijas and Guedioura being the only exceptions to decent imports from abroad! I also think that the youngsters can provide cover. If we have a complete nightmare with injuries then of course we will struggle, but wouldn't any team. I think we are stronger and better placed this season!
SUPERSPARKES
SB60 I fully see you point, min is wouldwe attract players as cover who would be willing to sit and wait for injuries. It is a difficult one I know, i really don't think that the management team shruggeed their shoulders. I would have loved to have seen at least three more signing, but they had to be right for the club, thats my main point. Is the quality of player out there, or are they just waiting for the big pay days. I wasn't surprissed that we didn't get a player in from abroad, only Milijas and Guedioura being the only exceptions to decent imports from abroad! I also think that the youngsters can provide cover. If we have a complete nightmare with injuries then of course we will struggle, but wouldn't any team. I think we are stronger and better placed this season!
SUPERSPARKES
Supersparkes: I agree but I do worry about our fortunes when players lose form or get injured. Moreover, we need competition for positions and at CD and LB we don't really have it. I also agree with you about the possibility of using our young players. I have read reports that Doherty is playing well at LB and, if so, he could fill in if Ward is injured or if his recent improvement proves to be a flash in the pan. Before anyone accuses me of wanting that to happen, I would like to emphasize how pleased I am to see how well he has played so far this season, thereby proving my pre-season prediction wrong.
Southbank60
Supersparkes: I agree but I do worry about our fortunes when players lose form or get injured. Moreover, we need competition for positions and at CD and LB we don't really have it. I also agree with you about the possibility of using our young players. I have read reports that Doherty is playing well at LB and, if so, he could fill in if Ward is injured or if his recent improvement proves to be a flash in the pan. Before anyone accuses me of wanting that to happen, I would like to emphasize how pleased I am to see how well he has played so far this season, thereby proving my pre-season prediction wrong.
Southbank60
SB60 I wasn't accusing you of anything apart from your obvious love of the club! But the youngsters really do need to come on, we have heard about how good they are for some time, but we haven't really seen them come through! I agree that the back is where we needed to strenghten, I just didn't want to club to panic buy, and get a make do signing, remember those bad old days!
SUPERSPARKES
SB60 I wasn't accusing you of anything apart from your obvious love of the club! But the youngsters really do need to come on, we have heard about how good they are for some time, but we haven't really seen them come through! I agree that the back is where we needed to strenghten, I just didn't want to club to panic buy, and get a make do signing, remember those bad old days!
SUPERSPARKES
Is it time for that hardy perennial: a survey of the worst players WW ever bought? The Hoff springs to my mind: thank goodness we have unloaded him back to Austria - and for money- where he will thrive and make us seem like chumps for releasing him. But, we know better: he was rubbish.
Southbank60
Is it time for that hardy perennial: a survey of the worst players WW ever bought? The Hoff springs to my mind: thank goodness we have unloaded him back to Austria - and for money- where he will thrive and make us seem like chumps for releasing him. But, we know better: he was rubbish.
Southbank60
Isnt the point being you name a 25 man squad we have only named 24 and that with a GK out on loan named in the squad so to me their is space for 1 maybe 2 more signings. To me it seems as if MM has decided the squad is good enough because we now have another years experience which seems a total lack of ambition if we survive another season thats good enough if we get injuries to certain players we are going to struggle.
kiawolves
Isnt the point being you name a 25 man squad we have only named 24 and that with a GK out on loan named in the squad so to me their is space for 1 maybe 2 more signings. To me it seems as if MM has decided the squad is good enough because we now have another years experience which seems a total lack of ambition if we survive another season thats good enough if we get injuries to certain players we are going to struggle.
kiawolves
SB60 dare I say the great Freddie Eastwood!!!!!!!! Thank god we got rid of him!! But there are quite a few, as to be fair there are at most clubs!
supersparkes
SB60 dare I say the great Freddie Eastwood!!!!!!!! Thank god we got rid of him!! But there are quite a few, as to be fair there are at most clubs!
supersparkes
Southbank, it is precisely your premise that is at variance with reality, for the reality is that MM is satisfied with the squad as it is, therefore it would be unrealsitic to expect additions to the squad, at least on a large or even a medium scale. As to the 'absolute' reality, that is, as to whether the squad really needs strenghtening, quite apart from MM's appraisal of the strenghts and weaknessess of it with a view to realising the set targets, I myself feel it is presumptous to offer an opinion, even to form one for myself, so I accept MM's perspective of things at large, seeing that it is he who is nearest to the squad most of the time and in the best position to judge.
lovesW
Southbank, it is precisely your premise that is at variance with reality, for the reality is that MM is satisfied with the squad as it is, therefore it would be unrealsitic to expect additions to the squad, at least on a large or even a medium scale. As to the 'absolute' reality, that is, as to whether the squad really needs strenghtening, quite apart from MM's appraisal of the strenghts and weaknessess of it with a view to realising the set targets, I myself feel it is presumptous to offer an opinion, even to form one for myself, so I accept MM's perspective of things at large, seeing that it is he who is nearest to the squad most of the time and in the best position to judge.
lovesW
lovesW-what else would you expect MM to say, publicly? Of course he's going to say he's satisfied with the players he has...they can hear what he says, too.They're platitudes, routinely delivered at press conferences.Of course he'd have wanted more players, but budgets are set and adhered to. I've said before that SS's premise that MM had particular, specific targets in mind but couldn't land them, is possible. But the suggestion that he's done all he wanted to strenghthen a team that finished 17th,does MM more of a disservice.I don't believe that notion for a second.
all4divisions
lovesW-what else would you expect MM to say, publicly? Of course he's going to say he's satisfied with the players he has...they can hear what he says, too.They're platitudes, routinely delivered at press conferences.Of course he'd have wanted more players, but budgets are set and adhered to. I've said before that SS's premise that MM had particular, specific targets in mind but couldn't land them, is possible. But the suggestion that he's done all he wanted to strenghthen a team that finished 17th,does MM more of a disservice.I don't believe that notion for a second.
all4divisions
A4D I think your right, he did want to strenghten in certain areas, he was just unable to. That was my point, and of course he is going to say that he is happy with the squad, which I am, although I can say publicly that I would have like two or three more additions, especially at the back to strenghten the squad!!
supersparkes
A4D I think your right, he did want to strenghten in certain areas, he was just unable to. That was my point, and of course he is going to say that he is happy with the squad, which I am, although I can say publicly that I would have like two or three more additions, especially at the back to strenghten the squad!!
supersparkes
Gosh, lovesW, I never expected my thread to mutate into a philosophical discussion of the meaning of reality. As Descartes would say, if nothing exists beyond one's own mind, reality is purely a personal construct ... so does anything matter? Patently it does for us fans when contemplating the fortunes of WW. My post above was an attempt to transcend subjective notions of reality by identifying what everyone knows to be true, namely that our team could be improved by the signing of two or three more players. Even the Cartesian minds of the 3Ms recognise that fact. Naturally, the solution to the problem exposed by this universal truth is hampered by the subjective notions of reality held by the 3Ms, that is, that there was insufficient money in the kitty to buy and maintain suitable players ... and anyhow only a select few players fitted the bill (and we couldn't get them). My version of reality questions this attitude, while recognising its existence: no-one was bought at the end of the transfer window. So, if the team flounders as a result of the loss of form or injury to key players, reality, however represented, will bite us on the bum.
Southbank60
Gosh, lovesW, I never expected my thread to mutate into a philosophical discussion of the meaning of reality. As Descartes would say, if nothing exists beyond one's own mind, reality is purely a personal construct ... so does anything matter? Patently it does for us fans when contemplating the fortunes of WW. My post above was an attempt to transcend subjective notions of reality by identifying what everyone knows to be true, namely that our team could be improved by the signing of two or three more players. Even the Cartesian minds of the 3Ms recognise that fact. Naturally, the solution to the problem exposed by this universal truth is hampered by the subjective notions of reality held by the 3Ms, that is, that there was insufficient money in the kitty to buy and maintain suitable players ... and anyhow only a select few players fitted the bill (and we couldn't get them). My version of reality questions this attitude, while recognising its existence: no-one was bought at the end of the transfer window. So, if the team flounders as a result of the loss of form or injury to key players, reality, however represented, will bite us on the bum.
Southbank60
The only thing I can say now, Southbank, SS, and all others who have been maintaining that the squad needs strenghtening, is: wait for the results and the final league table. Had it needed strenghtening, the re-enforcements would have been forthcoming, for the funds are not lacking, nor is the Chairman's resolve to take the Club among the top teams in the league. Now MM is being accused of platitudes.....A4D, just why would he say publicly that he is satisfied with the squad if he weren't? If he weren't, he would have strenghtened, that would have been no problem, for the two reasons I have already mentioned. He has seen the strenghtening in the shape of the better cohesion of the team, in a better defensive set-up, in a more effective striker force with the settling in of Fletcher, more possession of the ball...Wolves have averaged 52.2% possession in league matches this season, a higher figure than Arsenal's 51.5%....nothing wrong with the players, it is that they have improved over the last two years, improved to the standard of those who would have had to replace them had they not improved. January's transfer window will tell, no need to wait until the final league table. I know that I disagree with nearly everyone else on this point, but I can do nothing about it, except refrain from taking up the point again should I get the least hint that it is being taken personally even if by only one.
lovesW
The only thing I can say now, Southbank, SS, and all others who have been maintaining that the squad needs strenghtening, is: wait for the results and the final league table. Had it needed strenghtening, the re-enforcements would have been forthcoming, for the funds are not lacking, nor is the Chairman's resolve to take the Club among the top teams in the league. Now MM is being accused of platitudes.....A4D, just why would he say publicly that he is satisfied with the squad if he weren't? If he weren't, he would have strenghtened, that would have been no problem, for the two reasons I have already mentioned. He has seen the strenghtening in the shape of the better cohesion of the team, in a better defensive set-up, in a more effective striker force with the settling in of Fletcher, more possession of the ball...Wolves have averaged 52.2% possession in league matches this season, a higher figure than Arsenal's 51.5%....nothing wrong with the players, it is that they have improved over the last two years, improved to the standard of those who would have had to replace them had they not improved. January's transfer window will tell, no need to wait until the final league table. I know that I disagree with nearly everyone else on this point, but I can do nothing about it, except refrain from taking up the point again should I get the least hint that it is being taken personally even if by only one.
lovesW
LovesW I agree with you, I think the squad is strong enough and if MM didn't strenghten then he believes it too. the point I was making was perhaps he tried but was unable to. The team has grown. I don't believe that we had to buy cover! We have cover and we also have the youngsters. I truely believe that we have improved and will keep improving. I was just saying that no manager is going to admit that his team isn't strong enough to compete!! UTW and unless we have some serious injuries I can't really see us making a move in january unless one of Mick major targets becomes available!! It is just after christmas and he might get his wish!!
SUPERSPARKES
LovesW I agree with you, I think the squad is strong enough and if MM didn't strenghten then he believes it too. the point I was making was perhaps he tried but was unable to. The team has grown. I don't believe that we had to buy cover! We have cover and we also have the youngsters. I truely believe that we have improved and will keep improving. I was just saying that no manager is going to admit that his team isn't strong enough to compete!! UTW and unless we have some serious injuries I can't really see us making a move in january unless one of Mick major targets becomes available!! It is just after christmas and he might get his wish!!
SUPERSPARKES
So why did he publicly name check a list of never-has-beens, for loan?
all4divisions
So why did he publicly name check a list of never-has-beens, for loan?
all4divisions
When did he do that?
SUPERSPARKES
When did he do that?
SUPERSPARKES
SS-you've commented on the Vital Wolves article that refers to it.
all4divisions
SS-you've commented on the Vital Wolves article that refers to it.
all4divisions
And why have we only got a squad of 24. There's being satisfied...and then there's being downright cocky.
all4divisions
And why have we only got a squad of 24. There's being satisfied...and then there's being downright cocky.
all4divisions
LovesW: you are right, there's nothing we can do about it until January and, depending on fitness and form, who knows what we will need to do in the window ... if anything. I hope for the latter but expect holes to have appeared by then. The team is stronger but to echo MM's words that it doesn't need strengthening is to share Mick's apparent complacency. It's even worse because you seem to believe it, whereas Supersparkes correctly assumes that it's managerial hype and that MM would have strengthened his squad, had he been able to sign targeted individuals. Personally, I would have looked for alternatives, given that 'the money was available'. It's too early to herald in the new dawn, especially if based on statistics drawn from three matches. The comparison with Arsenal is a spurious one, given the teams that each side has played. Would we be so buoyant had we played MU and NU away and Liverpool at home?
Southbank60
LovesW: you are right, there's nothing we can do about it until January and, depending on fitness and form, who knows what we will need to do in the window ... if anything. I hope for the latter but expect holes to have appeared by then. The team is stronger but to echo MM's words that it doesn't need strengthening is to share Mick's apparent complacency. It's even worse because you seem to believe it, whereas Supersparkes correctly assumes that it's managerial hype and that MM would have strengthened his squad, had he been able to sign targeted individuals. Personally, I would have looked for alternatives, given that 'the money was available'. It's too early to herald in the new dawn, especially if based on statistics drawn from three matches. The comparison with Arsenal is a spurious one, given the teams that each side has played. Would we be so buoyant had we played MU and NU away and Liverpool at home?
Southbank60
Of course, should we find ourselves struggling in January,then the argument put forward by NYCW, some time ago, needs to be considered.That is, players may well say "thanks but no thanks" to another season of struggle and decide to use the Jan window to better themselves. JOH and RJ both said,when they signed,that they'd been assured that more quality signings were imminent.
all4divisions
Of course, should we find ourselves struggling in January,then the argument put forward by NYCW, some time ago, needs to be considered.That is, players may well say "thanks but no thanks" to another season of struggle and decide to use the Jan window to better themselves. JOH and RJ both said,when they signed,that they'd been assured that more quality signings were imminent.
all4divisions
Returning comment , Reason we wont get Dann is he is on 50k a week at Blackburn and before you know it we would have 5/6 players knocking on the door saying hold on gaffer why dont i get paid that , I have done more for this club than those , and thats how clubs start getting into debt , we could spend 60 million on players and still be way off the top 6 sides , personally we are going in the right direction and if you cant see that or agree with that your blind , we matched a top 6 side for 70 minutes today , this is a Spurs side who was beating Milan sides last year , Doyle and Fletcher had quiet games and if they were on top song it might have been different , on another not Karl Henry had a cracking game , and it was RJ's fault for the first goal not following Adebayor and O'Hara ball watched for the Defoe goal which Berra Slipped and would certainly have stopped Defoe getting the return , Yes we lost 2 zip but its still encouraging , Happy days !
ODDJOB79
Returning comment , Reason we wont get Dann is he is on 50k a week at Blackburn and before you know it we would have 5/6 players knocking on the door saying hold on gaffer why dont i get paid that , I have done more for this club than those , and thats how clubs start getting into debt , we could spend 60 million on players and still be way off the top 6 sides , personally we are going in the right direction and if you cant see that or agree with that your blind , we matched a top 6 side for 70 minutes today , this is a Spurs side who was beating Milan sides last year , Doyle and Fletcher had quiet games and if they were on top song it might have been different , on another not Karl Henry had a cracking game , and it was RJ's fault for the first goal not following Adebayor and O'Hara ball watched for the Defoe goal which Berra Slipped and would certainly have stopped Defoe getting the return , Yes we lost 2 zip but its still encouraging , Happy days !
ODDJOB79
And we still have Blake Zubes Edwards Guiedioura to come back yet , Jarvo had a knock n was benched so your on about no cover , we have cover in every position , some of you seem to think we should have United's or City's calibre of squad , get real will you , all24 of those Wolves players listed for the prem give there all in every game , its a great time to be a Wolves fan n I'm proud of every one of them , What sums you lot up is if Ward got injured and Elokobi came in and done a great job you would be asking for cover for both of them , some fans are jsut never satisfied and its pathetic !
ODDJOB79
And we still have Blake Zubes Edwards Guiedioura to come back yet , Jarvo had a knock n was benched so your on about no cover , we have cover in every position , some of you seem to think we should have United's or City's calibre of squad , get real will you , all24 of those Wolves players listed for the prem give there all in every game , its a great time to be a Wolves fan n I'm proud of every one of them , What sums you lot up is if Ward got injured and Elokobi came in and done a great job you would be asking for cover for both of them , some fans are jsut never satisfied and its pathetic !
ODDJOB79
If,maybe,when...this is definitely going to happen, this definitely won't happen...players only ever improve at Wolves... all players coming back from injury are going to be better...Well, with that complete lack of reasoning, I suppose you can "believe" anything. Anyway, back to the game...although i'm blind, I still managed to watch it..it's a miracle, Lordy, Lordy! As I said before the game, a point against Spurs would have been a good point. In truth,though, up until Spurs scored it would have been a pretty comfortable point.They were very ambling in their approach, without that speed of passing that zips the ball from boot to boot.Wolves seemed almost lulled by it, following the pace set by Spurs and had no more zip about them.The quality of pass from the defence to MF left more than a little to be desired, again. KH and JOH were exposed on a few occasions by careless, under-weighted passes,again.Similar to the Fulham game in that regard.Assou-Ekotto was their best player, which sums up how quiet the game was from their midfield...until they scored.Modric came more into it in the second half but had been as quiet as anyone 'til then.JOH let rip with a couple of screamers and RJ had that chance from Kghtes FK.The second half, before the goal,wasn't much different from the first but after the goal Spurs ability to keep the ball improved no end. Just to end, a word about the crowd. "Home advantage" isn't just supposed to be about knowing your own pitch better it's about the "12th man" element, too.Wolves fans seem to have fallen into the PL trap of regarding the match as a product and themselves as consumers of it.For all the difference the crowd made yesterday, it might as wel havel been played at a neutral ground.Molineux used to be highly regarded by other fans as a "proper" ground, with "proper" terrace support, i.e. one of those places where the away fans had no chance of making more noise than the home.I've noticed over the years that more replica shirts = less noise.I've had my season ticket for 24yrs now and(probably through rose-tinted specs) remember non stop chanting...and when we went behind it was a queue to start 10mins of the loudest songs.Ah well, maybe i'm remembering it wrong but it seems very quiet down there, these days, to me.So, no disgrace in losing to Spurs, 7/12 points and Q.P.R. at home next...just hope I discover the power of sight again, so that I can watch it.
all4divisions
If,maybe,when...this is definitely going to happen, this definitely won't happen...players only ever improve at Wolves... all players coming back from injury are going to be better...Well, with that complete lack of reasoning, I suppose you can "believe" anything. Anyway, back to the game...although i'm blind, I still managed to watch it..it's a miracle, Lordy, Lordy! As I said before the game, a point against Spurs would have been a good point. In truth,though, up until Spurs scored it would have been a pretty comfortable point.They were very ambling in their approach, without that speed of passing that zips the ball from boot to boot.Wolves seemed almost lulled by it, following the pace set by Spurs and had no more zip about them.The quality of pass from the defence to MF left more than a little to be desired, again. KH and JOH were exposed on a few occasions by careless, under-weighted passes,again.Similar to the Fulham game in that regard.Assou-Ekotto was their best player, which sums up how quiet the game was from their midfield...until they scored.Modric came more into it in the second half but had been as quiet as anyone 'til then.JOH let rip with a couple of screamers and RJ had that chance from Kghtes FK.The second half, before the goal,wasn't much different from the first but after the goal Spurs ability to keep the ball improved no end. Just to end, a word about the crowd. "Home advantage" isn't just supposed to be about knowing your own pitch better it's about the "12th man" element, too.Wolves fans seem to have fallen into the PL trap of regarding the match as a product and themselves as consumers of it.For all the difference the crowd made yesterday, it might as wel havel been played at a neutral ground.Molineux used to be highly regarded by other fans as a "proper" ground, with "proper" terrace support, i.e. one of those places where the away fans had no chance of making more noise than the home.I've noticed over the years that more replica shirts = less noise.I've had my season ticket for 24yrs now and(probably through rose-tinted specs) remember non stop chanting...and when we went behind it was a queue to start 10mins of the loudest songs.Ah well, maybe i'm remembering it wrong but it seems very quiet down there, these days, to me.So, no disgrace in losing to Spurs, 7/12 points and Q.P.R. at home next...just hope I discover the power of sight again, so that I can watch it.
all4divisions
Well said, A4D. Oddjob: nice to see you back. I agree with your points about wages, the quality of the Spurs team and the fact that we have to 'cut according to our cloth'. However, you appear to be in denial about the continuing weaknesses in our team, our lack of cover (Vokes had to come on upfront!) and the problem of consistency even among players such as JOH, Doyle, Fletcher and Jarvis. You also display a fatalism about our chances of doing anything about it by signing suitable additions or replacements. As A4D points out, you explain away problems with airy-fairy 'what ifs' and 'if onlys'.This surprises me because you are a very perceptive assessor of ability, when weighing up possible transfer targets.
Southbank60
Well said, A4D. Oddjob: nice to see you back. I agree with your points about wages, the quality of the Spurs team and the fact that we have to 'cut according to our cloth'. However, you appear to be in denial about the continuing weaknesses in our team, our lack of cover (Vokes had to come on upfront!) and the problem of consistency even among players such as JOH, Doyle, Fletcher and Jarvis. You also display a fatalism about our chances of doing anything about it by signing suitable additions or replacements. As A4D points out, you explain away problems with airy-fairy 'what ifs' and 'if onlys'.This surprises me because you are a very perceptive assessor of ability, when weighing up possible transfer targets.
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