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Not interested in heroic failure says Mick

For many a home defeat to Tottenham isn't something to get too down hearted about.

As fans we obviously want to win every game, but realistically we know that the way the Premier League has become, there are certain games that you take as a bonus and do not really rely on taking anything from.

Tottenham, considering they were in the Champions League last season and will once again be competing for the top four are one of those matches.

But for an hour or so we were well in the game and sometimes, when you get the chance to take an unexpected result you have to take it.

In previous years we did this rather successfully, taking points that we didn't expect to get, but crucially losing points that we should have taken.

McCarthy is desperate to not see a repeat of previous seasons and who can blame him.

For us to learn we have to take our chances when they arise.

"We played well but we lost and I don`t want to be that team we were two years ago when we had heroic failure.' McCarthy told the Express & Star.

He added: "When you`re playing well and having as much of the game as the opposition, you need to take your chances or create one you can get a goal from.

"For 70 minutes we were right in it and if we`d have scored when we had the chances, we could have nicked something."



He concluded: "In those last 20 minutes we were made to look a bit daft and not as good as we`d played in the first 70."

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Writer: Akela Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday September 13 2011

Time: 12:00PM

Your Comments

Well I have to say I would rather win and play badly, than play well and loose. The only teams I am fearful of in this league this year are the two Manchester teams, they seem to be ripping teams apart for fun. Hopefully we can stop them in their tracks!! Well I am an optomist!!
supersparkes
Well I have to say I would rather win and play badly, than play well and loose. The only teams I am fearful of in this league this year are the two Manchester teams, they seem to be ripping teams apart for fun. Hopefully we can stop them in their tracks!! Well I am an optomist!!
supersparkes
You did it last year supersparkes so here's hoping you'll do it again!
BlueBanes
You did it last year supersparkes so here's hoping you'll do it again!
BlueBanes
Rather play well and lose, SS, for if you play well the results will come, the table at the end of the season rarely lies, and if it does, only as to a handful of points at most, translating into one or two placings. If you play badly you must first wait for that to change, which may be a long time, before hoping for the results to start coming in. I am not too eager about beating the Man clubs at all. By the way the results against Blackburn and Fulham have gone, already we can say that that means the points difference between them and WW compared to last season will be six and three in WW's favour come May 13th. These are the teams we must beat, or at least not lose against. A win will mean 6 points difference, a draw maintaning the distance. I too am an optimist, but not enough of a one to hope to be able to beat the mathematics!!
lovesW
Rather play well and lose, SS, for if you play well the results will come, the table at the end of the season rarely lies, and if it does, only as to a handful of points at most, translating into one or two placings. If you play badly you must first wait for that to change, which may be a long time, before hoping for the results to start coming in. I am not too eager about beating the Man clubs at all. By the way the results against Blackburn and Fulham have gone, already we can say that that means the points difference between them and WW compared to last season will be six and three in WW's favour come May 13th. These are the teams we must beat, or at least not lose against. A win will mean 6 points difference, a draw maintaning the distance. I too am an optimist, but not enough of a one to hope to be able to beat the mathematics!!
lovesW
LovesW I want us to play well all season, I was more on about the odd game here and there. But you are right, these are the teams we need to beat, if we get results against top teams that has to be a bonus. It was the tow wigan games that threw me, how could we beat top four teams and then play so badly against Wigan. And also if we play well the reuslt will come I am hopeful that we can get the performances going in the right direction starting Saturday. I just want us safe well before May is even thought of!!
supersparkes
LovesW I want us to play well all season, I was more on about the odd game here and there. But you are right, these are the teams we need to beat, if we get results against top teams that has to be a bonus. It was the tow wigan games that threw me, how could we beat top four teams and then play so badly against Wigan. And also if we play well the reuslt will come I am hopeful that we can get the performances going in the right direction starting Saturday. I just want us safe well before May is even thought of!!
supersparkes
Oh, I see, SS- in the sense of the odd game, granted; I took your intended meaning in the sense of a run of matches, a number of consequitive 'bad days at the office'. I watched most of the QPR-NU match. Apart from some flashes of brilliance from Shawn W-P, I was not impressed by either team. There should be no problem beating Rangers IF we play like we did in the first two games.
lovesW
Oh, I see, SS- in the sense of the odd game, granted; I took your intended meaning in the sense of a run of matches, a number of consequitive 'bad days at the office'. I watched most of the QPR-NU match. Apart from some flashes of brilliance from Shawn W-P, I was not impressed by either team. There should be no problem beating Rangers IF we play like we did in the first two games.
lovesW
What I want to focus on in MM's comment is his emphasis on winning rather than being known as heroic losers, a shift in thinking which I applaud. Last year I felt that management and players alike were rather complacent, arguing that because the team played well (though losing) in some matches with top teams, we were too good to go down. That attitude probably helped to explain some of our defeats against lesser sides. Now, if MM and the team admit to the loss, they might try harder to avoid it happening again. Once enlightened, they can work on ways to ensure success next time. That includes inspiring confidence and inculcating a more dynamic approach, strengthened by the knowledge that the players are good enough to hold their own in the PL. With a more determined, if realistic, attitude we will progress. After all, plucky losers do not pick up any points.
Southbank60
What I want to focus on in MM's comment is his emphasis on winning rather than being known as heroic losers, a shift in thinking which I applaud. Last year I felt that management and players alike were rather complacent, arguing that because the team played well (though losing) in some matches with top teams, we were too good to go down. That attitude probably helped to explain some of our defeats against lesser sides. Now, if MM and the team admit to the loss, they might try harder to avoid it happening again. Once enlightened, they can work on ways to ensure success next time. That includes inspiring confidence and inculcating a more dynamic approach, strengthened by the knowledge that the players are good enough to hold their own in the PL. With a more determined, if realistic, attitude we will progress. After all, plucky losers do not pick up any points.
Southbank60
SB i agree with some of what you say but the problem was we over perfomed against the top teams and then could not do it against the teams around us. That is why im so pleased MM put RJ as Captain yes he has made 1 hell of a difference because he is a leader i am all so glad i think on here first to say Stearman for RB IF Zubar was not available i think upto now i have been proved right but the problem still remains do we have enough to cover for any major injuries or suspensions ? I not sure .
kiawolves
SB i agree with some of what you say but the problem was we over perfomed against the top teams and then could not do it against the teams around us. That is why im so pleased MM put RJ as Captain yes he has made 1 hell of a difference because he is a leader i am all so glad i think on here first to say Stearman for RB IF Zubar was not available i think upto now i have been proved right but the problem still remains do we have enough to cover for any major injuries or suspensions ? I not sure .
kiawolves
LW i watched all of the
kiawolves
LW i watched all of the
kiawolves
Sorry computer went funny LW as i was saying QPR were better than you say should of been 2-3 up at ht but for bad finishing by Bothroyd. SWP is going to be a handful if we give him space so will Tarrabat dictated play all first half second half not so good but saying that NC were dreadful Tiote got usual booking Amiobi fell over lots and not much else happened if you ask me now who would i prefer to play on sat it would be NC a little bit in disarray no CF and to many passes going astray QPR looked a different team yes i think we will win if we can play are passing game at speed and with crosses there 2 BACKS and CH are not that good get Doyle and Fletch amongst them should score and win but dont think as easy as some people imagine hope im wrong just a feeling should win easily but its WOLVES so never quite sure.
kiawolves
Sorry computer went funny LW as i was saying QPR were better than you say should of been 2-3 up at ht but for bad finishing by Bothroyd. SWP is going to be a handful if we give him space so will Tarrabat dictated play all first half second half not so good but saying that NC were dreadful Tiote got usual booking Amiobi fell over lots and not much else happened if you ask me now who would i prefer to play on sat it would be NC a little bit in disarray no CF and to many passes going astray QPR looked a different team yes i think we will win if we can play are passing game at speed and with crosses there 2 BACKS and CH are not that good get Doyle and Fletch amongst them should score and win but dont think as easy as some people imagine hope im wrong just a feeling should win easily but its WOLVES so never quite sure.
kiawolves
LovesW is right when he insists that in the long run a team playing well will do better than a worse team that occasionally flukes a good result. The problem last season was not that we couldn't play well but rather we couldn't do it consistently. If we play well on Saturday, we should win ... but QPR will not be a push over.
Southbank60
LovesW is right when he insists that in the long run a team playing well will do better than a worse team that occasionally flukes a good result. The problem last season was not that we couldn't play well but rather we couldn't do it consistently. If we play well on Saturday, we should win ... but QPR will not be a push over.
Southbank60
I just feel that we need to beat the teams that will struggle well! We are capable of doing it, It is early in the season and after a loss we need to bounce back, also our home form needs to improve against last season. The pieces are there, they need to be put in place!
supersparkes
I just feel that we need to beat the teams that will struggle well! We are capable of doing it, It is early in the season and after a loss we need to bounce back, also our home form needs to improve against last season. The pieces are there, they need to be put in place!
supersparkes
If only it were about consistency, SB. It is somewhat more complex than that, and I see the cause of it rooted in the Club's self-esteem when confronting the Wigans and the Fulhams. The fact that we played well rather consistently against the big clubs, the consistency concerning the matches against those clubs alone taken in a sequence, conistently also, in the negative sense, against the lesser clubs again taken in a sequence, indicates to me that the inconsistency reveals itself only because of the team's appreciation or otherwise of the opposition, and not in the normal sense of consistency that has to do with the element of time alone. So there is in fact consistency, and it is precisely this consistency of playing better, of upping our game against fellow football aristocrats, and the other consistency of easing up against 'run of the mill' sides that must be addressed - in this sense, it is inconsistency that is needed. I do not recall which manager - Hoddle, Taylor or another - had the busts of Cullis and Billy Wright covered or removed. The past, the history, the name count for nothing during the course of a match. If they do count, they do so only to psychologically adversely affect the team, as had been the case last season though not this one so far, and to act as a boost for the opposition to up thier game against a great name.
lovesW
If only it were about consistency, SB. It is somewhat more complex than that, and I see the cause of it rooted in the Club's self-esteem when confronting the Wigans and the Fulhams. The fact that we played well rather consistently against the big clubs, the consistency concerning the matches against those clubs alone taken in a sequence, conistently also, in the negative sense, against the lesser clubs again taken in a sequence, indicates to me that the inconsistency reveals itself only because of the team's appreciation or otherwise of the opposition, and not in the normal sense of consistency that has to do with the element of time alone. So there is in fact consistency, and it is precisely this consistency of playing better, of upping our game against fellow football aristocrats, and the other consistency of easing up against 'run of the mill' sides that must be addressed - in this sense, it is inconsistency that is needed. I do not recall which manager - Hoddle, Taylor or another - had the busts of Cullis and Billy Wright covered or removed. The past, the history, the name count for nothing during the course of a match. If they do count, they do so only to psychologically adversely affect the team, as had been the case last season though not this one so far, and to act as a boost for the opposition to up thier game against a great name.
lovesW
loves-w...how can you assume that the points difference between us and any other club is going to be decided on the two matches we get to play them? You assert that :"already we can say that that means the points difference between them and WW compared to last season will be six and three in WW's favour come May 13th"...the points difference between us and them, come the end of the season,could be 20pts, for e.g, in their favour. I think I know what you meant but it reads as if we are now guaranteed to have more points than Fulham and Blackburn. As i've said we can beat them and still finish 20pts behind instead of 23.We need to get 40pts +, however we get them.If we only get our points from teams that finish above us in the table is of no consequence,as long as the bottom three have less points than us, we could lose to all three of them twice.
all4divisions
loves-w...how can you assume that the points difference between us and any other club is going to be decided on the two matches we get to play them? You assert that :"already we can say that that means the points difference between them and WW compared to last season will be six and three in WW's favour come May 13th"...the points difference between us and them, come the end of the season,could be 20pts, for e.g, in their favour. I think I know what you meant but it reads as if we are now guaranteed to have more points than Fulham and Blackburn. As i've said we can beat them and still finish 20pts behind instead of 23.We need to get 40pts +, however we get them.If we only get our points from teams that finish above us in the table is of no consequence,as long as the bottom three have less points than us, we could lose to all three of them twice.
all4divisions
I think we can get 40 points no probs the teams that came up this season are not as good as last season my main worry is can we score the goals is the service to the forwards good enough we had as much of the ball as Spurs but found it very hard to break them down all but a couple of chances from Henry and OHARA. My problem is can Doyle and Fletcher play together or is it that the service to the forwards was that bad against Spurs they both looked bad but if you go 4-5-1 who do you drop i think Fletcher is the better goal scorer but Doyle holds the ball up better. Personally i think we should stick with 4-4-2 but we need better service from midfield and the wingers last season when MM droped Jarvis against WB and Sunderland Hunt was brilliant we need him to be doing that every game not just when certain players arent playing replys are welcome especially on the forwards.
kiawolves
I think we can get 40 points no probs the teams that came up this season are not as good as last season my main worry is can we score the goals is the service to the forwards good enough we had as much of the ball as Spurs but found it very hard to break them down all but a couple of chances from Henry and OHARA. My problem is can Doyle and Fletcher play together or is it that the service to the forwards was that bad against Spurs they both looked bad but if you go 4-5-1 who do you drop i think Fletcher is the better goal scorer but Doyle holds the ball up better. Personally i think we should stick with 4-4-2 but we need better service from midfield and the wingers last season when MM droped Jarvis against WB and Sunderland Hunt was brilliant we need him to be doing that every game not just when certain players arent playing replys are welcome especially on the forwards.
kiawolves
I agree with you, kiawolves. Fletcher and Doyle did not looklike scoring goals on Saturday. Wheareas Doyle was industrious, tracking back and holding up the ball, Fletcher looked forlorn upfront. The service from midfield was poor and this could account for the problem. I would like to play 4-4-2 but if we were to play 4-5-1, we could play Milijas and ensure a stream of good balls hit forward.
Southbank60
I agree with you, kiawolves. Fletcher and Doyle did not looklike scoring goals on Saturday. Wheareas Doyle was industrious, tracking back and holding up the ball, Fletcher looked forlorn upfront. The service from midfield was poor and this could account for the problem. I would like to play 4-4-2 but if we were to play 4-5-1, we could play Milijas and ensure a stream of good balls hit forward.
Southbank60
Start Milijas ahead of the MF but behind KD? MM was talking of playing Ward up front and George at LB ("another good LB"-unquote).
all4divisions
Start Milijas ahead of the MF but behind KD? MM was talking of playing Ward up front and George at LB ("another good LB"-unquote).
all4divisions
If I were Vokes, I would want a transfer ... anywhere. It's clear that MM does not think he is good enough for the PL and I agree with him. In the absence of SEB Ward is the obvious person to select alongside Doyle but the knock-on effect is to see Big George trundle out at LB. Aarrgghh!! How long is it to January?
Southbank60
If I were Vokes, I would want a transfer ... anywhere. It's clear that MM does not think he is good enough for the PL and I agree with him. In the absence of SEB Ward is the obvious person to select alongside Doyle but the knock-on effect is to see Big George trundle out at LB. Aarrgghh!! How long is it to January?
Southbank60
The same thought about Vokes crossed my mind, too, SB. He's having to listen to his manager say he'd rather play his LB up front than him.I'd keep Ward at LB, just so that we don't have to play George.I'd go the 5 MF players route before i'd play Vokes.
all4divisions
The same thought about Vokes crossed my mind, too, SB. He's having to listen to his manager say he'd rather play his LB up front than him.I'd keep Ward at LB, just so that we don't have to play George.I'd go the 5 MF players route before i'd play Vokes.
all4divisions
SB I agree that Big george is not what you would want, but he will give 100%, however 4 5 1 isn't a bad call
SUPERSPARKES
SS-snap!!
all4divisions
SB I agree that Big george is not what you would want, but he will give 100%, however 4 5 1 isn't a bad call
SUPERSPARKES
SS-snap!!
all4divisions
If Vokes does get his chance to start I will be surprissed, and SB I think that you are right it must be time for him to go! How long has he been with us! I would rather see Keogh recalled!
SUPERSPARKES
If Vokes does get his chance to start I will be surprissed, and SB I think that you are right it must be time for him to go! How long has he been with us! I would rather see Keogh recalled!
SUPERSPARKES
Supersparkes, I'll take my boots with me this weekend just in case MM needs me. I'll guarantee to give 100 per cent so we should be OK.
Southbank60
Supersparkes, I'll take my boots with me this weekend just in case MM needs me. I'll guarantee to give 100 per cent so we should be OK.
Southbank60
LOL So would I mate, George is a back up, he is not quite the wandering idiot he is made out to be. not the best but he will do a job for us.
SUPERSPARKES
LOL So would I mate, George is a back up, he is not quite the wandering idiot he is made out to be. not the best but he will do a job for us.
SUPERSPARKES
I would agree with that too, SS, and on his day against certain teams and players George is OK. It's just that nippy wingers skin him, he drifts out of position and his distribution of the ball is poor. I reckon that if we turned him sideways, he would make a decent centre half (technical term from the 1950s).
Southbank60
I would agree with that too, SS, and on his day against certain teams and players George is OK. It's just that nippy wingers skin him, he drifts out of position and his distribution of the ball is poor. I reckon that if we turned him sideways, he would make a decent centre half (technical term from the 1950s).
Southbank60
LOL my dad always told me if I turned sideways i'd make a better player, problem was I was on the wing and I wasn't sure which way he wanted me to turn, either a centre forward or as a sub. But George is the back up. We were never going to get any better in the transfer market, plus he is well used to the team! If Hunt is put with him then he can provide good cover, if it's MJ then he doesn't track back as well, his one failing as I see it! And I'm not saying that he is rubbish or anything!!!! Don't quote me.
SUPERSPARKES
LOL my dad always told me if I turned sideways i'd make a better player, problem was I was on the wing and I wasn't sure which way he wanted me to turn, either a centre forward or as a sub. But George is the back up. We were never going to get any better in the transfer market, plus he is well used to the team! If Hunt is put with him then he can provide good cover, if it's MJ then he doesn't track back as well, his one failing as I see it! And I'm not saying that he is rubbish or anything!!!! Don't quote me.
SUPERSPARKES
Left-back...in the changing rooms. The old ones are the best!
all4divisions
Left-back...in the changing rooms. The old ones are the best!
all4divisions
Right Back in the bus!!!
SUPERSPARKES
Right Back in the bus!!!
SUPERSPARKES
I just have a question for you guys whilst there is a thread going on here. why don't you use the forums at all?
SUPERSPARKES
I just have a question for you guys whilst there is a thread going on here. why don't you use the forums at all?
SUPERSPARKES
I keep forgetting, Supersparkes. Even so, I have posted one or two comments there.
Southbank60
I keep forgetting, Supersparkes. Even so, I have posted one or two comments there.
Southbank60
I have a question...at which point does Akela get really, really mad about threads developing on these boards and not on the forums? :-)...I've noticed that there seems to be a bit too much info available on the forums regarding the posters. I didn't pick a tag-name, just to show my name and e-mail to all and sundry.
all4divisions
I have a question...at which point does Akela get really, really mad about threads developing on these boards and not on the forums? :-)...I've noticed that there seems to be a bit too much info available on the forums regarding the posters. I didn't pick a tag-name, just to show my name and e-mail to all and sundry.
all4divisions
You only have to put up what you want, not that much is available unless you want it to be. just change your details on your account. My name and e-mail isn't available.
SUPERSPARKES
You only have to put up what you want, not that much is available unless you want it to be. just change your details on your account. My name and e-mail isn't available.
SUPERSPARKES
SS-sound. I'll get round to it then.
all4divisions
SS-sound. I'll get round to it then.
all4divisions
Not a probelm A$D theres some good stuff on there, have a look at some of the off topic stuff as well!!
SUPERSPARKES
Not a probelm A$D theres some good stuff on there, have a look at some of the off topic stuff as well!!
SUPERSPARKES
A4D: even I think you know what I mean. Wolves finished on 40 and Blackburn on 41. Had we won at Ewood Park the final table would have been Wolves on 43 and Blackburn on 38. We have won at Ewood Park this season, so there you have the 6 points difference at the end, and that will stand, or be carried into, if you like, the final standings. SB, I am delighted that you recommend Milijas in midfield, he's such a waste on the bench....sometimes I think I myself am a wasted LB...what position did you play??
lovesW
A4D: even I think you know what I mean. Wolves finished on 40 and Blackburn on 41. Had we won at Ewood Park the final table would have been Wolves on 43 and Blackburn on 38. We have won at Ewood Park this season, so there you have the 6 points difference at the end, and that will stand, or be carried into, if you like, the final standings. SB, I am delighted that you recommend Milijas in midfield, he's such a waste on the bench....sometimes I think I myself am a wasted LB...what position did you play??
lovesW
lovesw-yes,as a direct comparison with last season, with every other result(for every club) mirroing last season, then it's valid.But Blackburn can still finish 20pts ahead of us instead of 23, this season.
all4divisions
lovesw-yes,as a direct comparison with last season, with every other result(for every club) mirroing last season, then it's valid.But Blackburn can still finish 20pts ahead of us instead of 23, this season.
all4divisions
LovesW: I was a nippy winger, haring down the left flank after long balls or executing mazy runs, complete with feints and step-overs! At the time (in about 1960) people used to compare me to Adam Johnson of Manchester City.
Southbank60
LovesW: I was a nippy winger, haring down the left flank after long balls or executing mazy runs, complete with feints and step-overs! At the time (in about 1960) people used to compare me to Adam Johnson of Manchester City.
Southbank60
SB-hahahahaha, Brilliant! That's made my night :-)))
all4divisions
SB-hahahahaha, Brilliant! That's made my night :-)))
all4divisions
LOL well done SB love it!! So A4D where did you ply your trade on the pitch!
SUPERSPARKES
LOL well done SB love it!! So A4D where did you ply your trade on the pitch!
SUPERSPARKES
SB-that's still funny....SS-I had one of those dual playing careers(!)at school where I played up front for the school team but in goal for the town and county.Wasn't that unusual at the time. I remember a lad a couple of years below me that did the same for the school and town.
all4divisions
SB-that's still funny....SS-I had one of those dual playing careers(!)at school where I played up front for the school team but in goal for the town and county.Wasn't that unusual at the time. I remember a lad a couple of years below me that did the same for the school and town.
all4divisions
A4D, Very much the same as me, I played up front for school, but was a goalie up until I was about 16, then played for my local side up front, as the years wore on the further I slipped back down the field ending up back between the sticks. I played in goal for my units (military) for 8 years. the boots aren't quite hung up yet, but there aren't too many seasons left for me!
SUPERSPARKES
A4D, Very much the same as me, I played up front for school, but was a goalie up until I was about 16, then played for my local side up front, as the years wore on the further I slipped back down the field ending up back between the sticks. I played in goal for my units (military) for 8 years. the boots aren't quite hung up yet, but there aren't too many seasons left for me!
SUPERSPARKES
SS-that's the trouble with being a multi-talented athlete, can't play in two positions at once! Although, seeing as how SB appears to be a time-lord, moving effortlessly between decades ,anything's possible.
all4divisions
SS-that's the trouble with being a multi-talented athlete, can't play in two positions at once! Although, seeing as how SB appears to be a time-lord, moving effortlessly between decades ,anything's possible.
all4divisions
LOL that is very true, I was just gutted that I never had that opportunity!!
SUPERSPARKES
LOL that is very true, I was just gutted that I never had that opportunity!!
SUPERSPARKES
SB, SS and A4D: just as well that my playing days are over then!. Our coach, the Dalai Lama we called him because of this air of mystery around him, used to draw me aside before a match, pinpoint to me the opponents' 'nippy winger', all class and dribbles, look me in the eye and nod just once. He meant 'there's your man', and man-to-man it was, in the stricktest sense of the word. Of course, no cards at the time - this was around the late sixties and early seventies - so it was that at times I did not see out the 90'. My shortest game was 2'.
lovesW
SB, SS and A4D: just as well that my playing days are over then!. Our coach, the Dalai Lama we called him because of this air of mystery around him, used to draw me aside before a match, pinpoint to me the opponents' 'nippy winger', all class and dribbles, look me in the eye and nod just once. He meant 'there's your man', and man-to-man it was, in the stricktest sense of the word. Of course, no cards at the time - this was around the late sixties and early seventies - so it was that at times I did not see out the 90'. My shortest game was 2'.
lovesW
SB-sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown down. Get the tardis out and lets see if lovesw can take the doctor down!
all4divisions
SB-sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown down. Get the tardis out and lets see if lovesw can take the doctor down!
all4divisions
Talking of weird science. How come, no matter how many comments he posts, lovesw never appears on the members league table? Curious, that.
all4divisions
Talking of weird science. How come, no matter how many comments he posts, lovesw never appears on the members league table? Curious, that.
all4divisions
A4D I have wondered that is he a ghost or something??? Will we ever find out???
supersparkes
A4D I have wondered that is he a ghost or something??? Will we ever find out???
supersparkes
SS-a time-lord AND a ghost. We may not have the most members on these Vital sites but how many of the others have either of those?.......and where is NYCW?
all4divisions
SS-a time-lord AND a ghost. We may not have the most members on these Vital sites but how many of the others have either of those?.......and where is NYCW?
all4divisions
A4D, SS : this is getting personal now, not that I am complaining, just stating a fact. I have often wondered myself about never appearing on the menbers league table. Perhaps I AM being taken for a ghost. Perhaps I AM one,too.......who knows? The possibility cannot be denied, SS, I will grant you that. After all, no one up to now has been able to prove that life is not an illusion.
lovesW
A4D, SS : this is getting personal now, not that I am complaining, just stating a fact. I have often wondered myself about never appearing on the menbers league table. Perhaps I AM being taken for a ghost. Perhaps I AM one,too.......who knows? The possibility cannot be denied, SS, I will grant you that. After all, no one up to now has been able to prove that life is not an illusion.
lovesW
LW are you a Led Zep fan or not! or have you manged to join by pure mistake another team??
supersparkes
LW are you a Led Zep fan or not! or have you manged to join by pure mistake another team??
supersparkes
LW that wasn;t meant as a go at you being a wind up merchant, just a simple cyber mistake!!!!
supersparkes
LW that wasn;t meant as a go at you being a wind up merchant, just a simple cyber mistake!!!!
supersparkes
I realised that, SS. Just wanted to keep on with the ghost notion. My fave groups actually were the Stones and Procol Harum. There was a time, in the 90's in particular, when R Plant used to visit, but I never bothered to attend the concerts. However, 4AD's ' time lord' ,for SB, is nearer to the facts.
lovesW
I realised that, SS. Just wanted to keep on with the ghost notion. My fave groups actually were the Stones and Procol Harum. There was a time, in the 90's in particular, when R Plant used to visit, but I never bothered to attend the concerts. However, 4AD's ' time lord' ,for SB, is nearer to the facts.
lovesW
Leeds fans used to call their goalie, Gary Sprake, the Holy Ghost, on account of the fact that the ball appeared to go through him.Nothing like support from your own fans. Which is literally what that was.
all4divisions
Leeds fans used to call their goalie, Gary Sprake, the Holy Ghost, on account of the fact that the ball appeared to go through him.Nothing like support from your own fans. Which is literally what that was.
all4divisions
I cannot really cover all the decades (merely the late 50s and early 60s at one end and the last few years at the other) because my Tardis only has one 'travel to the past' button. In between I lived miles away and was too busy playing sport, bringing up a family and earning a living to do more than keep up with WW's results. Given my dodgy back, I would need a Tardis to compete in a one-on-one competition against lovesW, perhaps as part of the half-time entertainment at Molineux ... don't even think about it!
Southbank60
I cannot really cover all the decades (merely the late 50s and early 60s at one end and the last few years at the other) because my Tardis only has one 'travel to the past' button. In between I lived miles away and was too busy playing sport, bringing up a family and earning a living to do more than keep up with WW's results. Given my dodgy back, I would need a Tardis to compete in a one-on-one competition against lovesW, perhaps as part of the half-time entertainment at Molineux ... don't even think about it!
Southbank60
SB-The tardis ref. was in relation to you being compared in 1960 with a player that wouldn't be born for another 20-odd yrs.(It's just made me grin again, reading it,btw) It would more specifically apply to whoever it was making the comparison,I suppose. Anyway,Sparkes got it...I think! Just wanted to clear that up, seeing as how it wasn't really as funny as your line, I won't worry too much about explaining it.
all4divisions
SB-The tardis ref. was in relation to you being compared in 1960 with a player that wouldn't be born for another 20-odd yrs.(It's just made me grin again, reading it,btw) It would more specifically apply to whoever it was making the comparison,I suppose. Anyway,Sparkes got it...I think! Just wanted to clear that up, seeing as how it wasn't really as funny as your line, I won't worry too much about explaining it.
all4divisions
LOL so long as we have got that cleared up then A4D, I am now completly clear on what we were talking about I think!!!!
SUPERSPARKES
LOL so long as we have got that cleared up then A4D, I am now completly clear on what we were talking about I think!!!!
SUPERSPARKES
LOL so long as we have got that cleared up then A4D, I am now completly clear on what we were talking about I think!!!!
SUPERSPARKES
LOL so long as we have got that cleared up then A4D, I am now completly clear on what we were talking about I think!!!!
SUPERSPARKES
I haven't a clue: perhaps people were comparing me to Jimmy Mullen rather than to Adam Johnson but, if that were so, the joke wouldn't have worked (notwithstanding time travel, of course)!
Southbank60
I haven't a clue: perhaps people were comparing me to Jimmy Mullen rather than to Adam Johnson but, if that were so, the joke wouldn't have worked (notwithstanding time travel, of course)!
Southbank60
Glad I cleared that up!
all4divisions
Glad I cleared that up!
all4divisions
It almost got like an episode of the twilight zone there for a while!
SUPERSPARKES
It almost got like an episode of the twilight zone there for a while!
SUPERSPARKES
Yes, especially with the parallel but completely overlapping universes of your replies, SS (see your doppleganger's previous post).
Southbank60
Yes, especially with the parallel but completely overlapping universes of your replies, SS (see your doppleganger's previous post).
Southbank60
I like that mate, I quite often disappear off to my other universes, especially when I am at work!
SUPERSPARKES
I like that mate, I quite often disappear off to my other universes, especially when I am at work!
SUPERSPARKES
If you had a T.A.R.D.I.S.,where would you go, past or future?
all4divisions
If you had a T.A.R.D.I.S.,where would you go, past or future?
all4divisions
It would have to be in the past, back to the 50's! The future holds to much uncertanty, especially if we have a run of bad games!!
supersparkes
It would have to be in the past, back to the 50's! The future holds to much uncertanty, especially if we have a run of bad games!!
supersparkes
I'd go back to a week before the transfer window closed and tell the 3Ms what would happen if they didn't buy in PLO quality players in key positions. If the machine couldn't generate enough power I would beam myself into the manager's office last Saturday to tell MM not to mess with the back four, play a 4-5-1 system and get Milijas out on to the park.
Southbank60
I'd go back to a week before the transfer window closed and tell the 3Ms what would happen if they didn't buy in PLO quality players in key positions. If the machine couldn't generate enough power I would beam myself into the manager's office last Saturday to tell MM not to mess with the back four, play a 4-5-1 system and get Milijas out on to the park.
Southbank60
Ahhhh the wonderment of hindsight, but a very good call SB. I would never go forward though!
supersparkes
Ahhhh the wonderment of hindsight, but a very good call SB. I would never go forward though!
supersparkes
I'd have to have a look at the Molineux in the '50's too, see if it was all it was cracked up to be. Bunch of long ball merchants, i've heard!Of all Wolves players I never saw i'd choose to have a look at Peter Broadbent in his pomp. Best of all-time, according to those old enough to tell me and who's opinion I value.
all4divisions
I'd have to have a look at the Molineux in the '50's too, see if it was all it was cracked up to be. Bunch of long ball merchants, i've heard!Of all Wolves players I never saw i'd choose to have a look at Peter Broadbent in his pomp. Best of all-time, according to those old enough to tell me and who's opinion I value.
all4divisions
Thats wahat I want to have a look at, I had so many stories from my Dad about the team of the 50's and how great they were! Also just to see what the atmosphere was like back in those days. I would also just for nostalga, have a look back to the late 80's when we were on the way back up, and just to see the great one in full flow again!!
supersparkes
Thats wahat I want to have a look at, I had so many stories from my Dad about the team of the 50's and how great they were! Also just to see what the atmosphere was like back in those days. I would also just for nostalga, have a look back to the late 80's when we were on the way back up, and just to see the great one in full flow again!!
supersparkes
I'd still put others ahead of Bully, though Sparkes. King John, The Doog and Wayne Clarke are three of them.
all4divisions
I'd still put others ahead of Bully, though Sparkes. King John, The Doog and Wayne Clarke are three of them.
all4divisions
I agree there mate, but the buzz of the crowd when Bully got the ball is something that I will never forget. I only just caught the end of the 70's I'm afraid! I saw the odd few games with JR and WC, neve saw the doog though! Shame I know
supersparkes
I agree there mate, but the buzz of the crowd when Bully got the ball is something that I will never forget. I only just caught the end of the 70's I'm afraid! I saw the odd few games with JR and WC, neve saw the doog though! Shame I know
supersparkes
I tell you what, Sparkes, it's only because of his relative lack of appearences that WC isn't out on his own. Witout a doubt the most gifted footballer of the bunch that's for sure. The move to Everton never really worked out for him, either. Mainly because he never actually moved! Stayed put in Willenhall.
all4divisions
I tell you what, Sparkes, it's only because of his relative lack of appearences that WC isn't out on his own. Witout a doubt the most gifted footballer of the bunch that's for sure. The move to Everton never really worked out for him, either. Mainly because he never actually moved! Stayed put in Willenhall.
all4divisions
Peter Knowles was the supernova who shone briefly before vanishing into the Jehovah Witnesses' heaven.
Southbank60
Peter Knowles was the supernova who shone briefly before vanishing into the Jehovah Witnesses' heaven.
Southbank60
Willie Carr was on of my favourites of that time! Great on the ball, We had some good players then, but unfortunately they never really got replaced with quality!
supersparkes
Willie Carr was on of my favourites of that time! Great on the ball, We had some good players then, but unfortunately they never really got replaced with quality!
supersparkes
No they weren't replaced SS. Marshall and his cronies decided to develop the ground instead. Only got as far as the one stand, of course...nah, couldn't possibly happen again...:-0
all4divisions
No they weren't replaced SS. Marshall and his cronies decided to develop the ground instead. Only got as far as the one stand, of course...nah, couldn't possibly happen again...:-0
all4divisions
A4D I think we are in a much better position. Plus the new North bank is closer to the pitch than the old John Ireland stand. I sat in there once, It was miles away!!
SUPERSPARKES
A4D I think we are in a much better position. Plus the new North bank is closer to the pitch than the old John Ireland stand. I sat in there once, It was miles away!!
SUPERSPARKES
A4D: Ha! Ha!
Southbank60
A4D: Ha! Ha!
Southbank60
Thought that one might tickle your fancy,SB. But, of much more importance, is SS's claims for next season.He asserts we are in a much better position, compared with then. Following the completion of Phase 1 (and only) of Chairman Marshall's Grand Plan, we did , of course win the LC, reach the SF of the F.A.Cup and finished 6th in the league.Roll on the completion of the North Bank!...may have taken a few yards of extrapolation from what you actually said,SS, but I think I captured the essence of it! ;-)
all4divisions
Thought that one might tickle your fancy,SB. But, of much more importance, is SS's claims for next season.He asserts we are in a much better position, compared with then. Following the completion of Phase 1 (and only) of Chairman Marshall's Grand Plan, we did , of course win the LC, reach the SF of the F.A.Cup and finished 6th in the league.Roll on the completion of the North Bank!...may have taken a few yards of extrapolation from what you actually said,SS, but I think I captured the essence of it! ;-)
all4divisions
A4D I have to say that your comment did raise a smile, and also a worry hair on the back of my neck. The problem is with the game back then, and the game now, or should I say the finances. I think that we are in a better position now than then. We were on extremly dodgy ground back then.
SUPERSPARKES
A4D I have to say that your comment did raise a smile, and also a worry hair on the back of my neck. The problem is with the game back then, and the game now, or should I say the finances. I think that we are in a better position now than then. We were on extremly dodgy ground back then.
SUPERSPARKES
 

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