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A Game of Two Halves



Although some of us warned against complacency, last Saturday`s game still came as a shock ... even to those fans who had warned against complacency.

For the past two weeks the gardener, who mows our next door neighbours` lawn (they`re even older than us), was completely insufferable. A Spurs supporter, he had collared me the previous week before I could hide, and asked me to give him an account of the game. This week, he wanted to discuss the Spurs-Liverpool match, pointedly observing that Dalglish and Co. will probably take it out of the next team they play in the PL.

I wondered whether their honour had been satisfied by the scratchy win over Brighton in the Carling Cup? Probably not ... and even worse, it meant that Skrtel and Adam would be free to play against us on Saturday. As it was a shot from Adam that RJ diverted past WH, this affected the outcome. Had that ball not gone in, the result could have been different.

More problematically, our rather more emphatic win against Milwall did little to restore our dented pride or to change MM`s opinion of our fringe players, who performed well in that match. Only Edwards made the starting line-up, though Doherty replaced Stearman at half time and Guedioura came on with ten minutes left. Personally, I would retain both of them.

Although a non-Molineux week, I still had to pay my dues, especially as it was my birthday on Friday and my wife`s today. Traditionally, I am forbidden to participate in or watch sport, as custom dictates that we go for walks, visit stately homes and gardens, partake of pub meals and, as a centrepiece, eat something a little posher than a takeaway curry. Hmm!

The big day is the one in the middle and that`s the problem this year: it fell on a Saturday. Whereas my wife was busily perusing the National Trust handbook, I was frantically trying to think of a good reason for not moving far away from home ... and without giving away my underlying motive.

I therefore thought it politic to accompany my wife to Debenhams to pick up the curtains she had ordered and even to insist that we went on to look for a mirror that she wanted. My wife naturally expressed her surprise at this unlikely show of enthusiasm so (gallantly, I thought), I said that it was so nice shopping with her that I regretted all those missed opportunities in the past. She told me not to be sarcastic ... but she smiled.

A delivery of flowers also put her in a good mood. For a moment, when I received the bouquet at the door from Interflora, I contemplated passing them off as my own, but thought that my younger daughter would complain. Even so, putting up the curtain rail and the mirror earned me brownie points and took us beyond lunchtime and the deadline for going out ... so I could watch WW with a clear conscience

As I am still in dispute with the supplier of the Beacon broadcast, I rely on dodgy freeview sites and the WW blog on the other computer screen. The site, which other contributors here recommend, was no better than the others, freezing momentarily every five seconds and then packing up for minutes on end. Not a perfect solution and, as a result, I had to wait for the Football First replay to clear up some points.

However, I did see enough to realize that it conformed to the time-honoured footballing cliché of a game of two halves. It`s just a pity that we did not score as many as Liverpool in our period of domination. At least, I got the result right in SS`s survey: small consolation, especially as I had not wagered any money on the outcome.

If we lost the previous week because of a slow start, why did we repeat it as a tactical ploy this time round? Well, we won the first couple of minutes then disappeared for the rest of the half. Liverpool, with Suarez to the fore, ran our defence ragged and although the first goal was somewhat fortuitous (and controversial), it was no more than Liverpool deserved for all their pressure. RJ should have left it alone as it was heading around the post. He, like everyone else, was out of sorts.

The second goal was superb, a precisely aimed ball bisecting the defence and putting Suarez through on goal. Even so, he wouldn`t have scored, if Berra had taken one of the two chances to tackle him and had WH covered his near post. At this point, I turned to drink, we were so bad.

The most noteworthy aspect of the half from the Wolves point of view was Hunt`s new haircut, which does away with the need for an Alice band and the rather fey look it gives him. It did not improve his play however, even if he was involved in our goal after the break.

After the first half, I was in despair and feared the worst: I can`t survive another relegation battle. However, a half time rollicking by MM clearly had some effect because WW came out with renewed vigour and my outlook brightened.

We also had a forward on the field who could score goals. A run from Henry, a fortuitous bounce of the ball and a neat pass from Hunt gave Fletcher a chance and he made no mistake. At the moment I think that he should be selected ahead of Doyle, who is struggling. Doyle missed a chance too. If we secure McFadden`s services, I would be inclined to give him a run out with Fletcher. Jarvis is looking threatening again after several lacklustre performances (including the first half). He had the beating of Kelly, especially after the latter`s yellow card made him more cautious in his tackles.

Liverpool were by no means out of the game and were always dangerous. Fortunately, our defence was better marshalled and the replacement of Stearman (given the runaround by Downing) by Doherty also helped. Ward played OK and made a great tackle on Gerrard in the 88th. minute. WH again kept us in the game with a couple of outstanding saves.

I would also replace Henry by Guedioura. The latter came on with ten minutes of normal time remaining and made an immediate impact. He is so much more positive than Henry and gives us extra bite in midfield going forward. I would like to see Milijas on the pitch too. Together, AD, JOH and NM would add up to a combative and skilful inner midfield.

Surveying the other games after the match, the results were reasonably kind to us. Blackburn, Bolton, Everton, Swansea and Wigan all lost and WBA and Fulham drew. We are still mid-table with another tough match behind us. Moreover, MM surely has learnt the lesson of the last three games over the course of the last eight days, in terms of formations and players in form. But, if so, why did Hammill not get on the pitch?

It`s Newcastle at home next week and I will be there to watch the match, if a little hung over after my friend`s 40th. wedding anniversary in Wolverhampton the previous evening. It`s a game we can win but only if we approach the game with the right attitude from the off! It`s another acid test of our 'progress`.




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The Journalist

Writer: southbank60 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday September 25 2011

Time: 12:12AM

Your Comments

SB I i agree it was a game of to halves they had the 1st half we had the 2nd the difference between the to teams was Suarez but still confused by mm team selection.Why after not playing for six months Edwards walks straight back into the team Milijas and Guedioura must be wondering what they have to do and the same can be said of Hammil with Kightly.But i thought the interveiw with MM after said it all Fletcher was still not right but came on in the 2nd half just proves how good Vokes is. To me it proves what every one has said if Edwards is our best alternative in midfield and our best striker plays when still not fit why so little activity in the transfer window just hope the 3 Ms know what their doing.
kiawolves
SB I i agree it was a game of to halves they had the 1st half we had the 2nd the difference between the to teams was Suarez but still confused by mm team selection.Why after not playing for six months Edwards walks straight back into the team Milijas and Guedioura must be wondering what they have to do and the same can be said of Hammil with Kightly.But i thought the interveiw with MM after said it all Fletcher was still not right but came on in the 2nd half just proves how good Vokes is. To me it proves what every one has said if Edwards is our best alternative in midfield and our best striker plays when still not fit why so little activity in the transfer window just hope the 3 Ms know what their doing.
kiawolves
SB I i agree it was a game of to halves they had the 1st half we had the 2nd the difference between the to teams was Suarez but still confused by mm team selection.Why after not playing for six months Edwards walks straight back into the team Milijas and Guedioura must be wondering what they have to do and the same can be said of Hammil with Kightly.But i thought the interveiw with MM after said it all Fletcher was still not right but came on in the 2nd half just proves how good Vokes is. To me it proves what every one has said if Edwards is our best alternative in midfield and our best striker plays when still not fit why so little activity in the transfer window just hope the 3 Ms know what their doing.
kiawolves
SB I i agree it was a game of to halves they had the 1st half we had the 2nd the difference between the to teams was Suarez but still confused by mm team selection.Why after not playing for six months Edwards walks straight back into the team Milijas and Guedioura must be wondering what they have to do and the same can be said of Hammil with Kightly.But i thought the interveiw with MM after said it all Fletcher was still not right but came on in the 2nd half just proves how good Vokes is. To me it proves what every one has said if Edwards is our best alternative in midfield and our best striker plays when still not fit why so little activity in the transfer window just hope the 3 Ms know what their doing.
kiawolves
SB Thank you for another brilliant article. I listend to the game on R5L and I have just sat and watched MOTD and have to say from what I saw an heard you have it spot on! I predicted the right score unfortunately, but the second half performance gave encouragment. The other thing that got me was the fact that your weekends are so much like mine, and I I get the frowns from my wife the second football is mentioned. The problem I also have is I have two daughters, who despite my best efforts are not interested in football, every weekend I have my work cut out!! Thank you again and I see the Newcastle game as a big game in our season! I will hopefully be there, If I can explain to my wife that she will be better placed without me going shopping in Cardiff on saturday, and It will be easier if I spent the afternoon in the company of Wolves!!
supersparkes
SB Thank you for another brilliant article. I listend to the game on R5L and I have just sat and watched MOTD and have to say from what I saw an heard you have it spot on! I predicted the right score unfortunately, but the second half performance gave encouragment. The other thing that got me was the fact that your weekends are so much like mine, and I I get the frowns from my wife the second football is mentioned. The problem I also have is I have two daughters, who despite my best efforts are not interested in football, every weekend I have my work cut out!! Thank you again and I see the Newcastle game as a big game in our season! I will hopefully be there, If I can explain to my wife that she will be better placed without me going shopping in Cardiff on saturday, and It will be easier if I spent the afternoon in the company of Wolves!!
supersparkes
Credit to Mick MaCarthy i thought as we were much the better team during the 1st half but his double change and tactical swich completely transformed proceedings. We were hanging on for long periods and looked nervy at the back after Fletcher had been introduced. See the full match report on Vital Liverpool - http://www.liverpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/matchrep.asp?a=256738
The Bagman
Credit to Mick MaCarthy i thought as we were much the better team during the 1st half but his double change and tactical swich completely transformed proceedings. We were hanging on for long periods and looked nervy at the back after Fletcher had been introduced. See the full match report on Vital Liverpool - http://www.liverpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/matchrep.asp?a=256738
The Bagman
Up until the recent past, losing by the odd goal at Anfield, would have fallen into that category of results that MM declared he was not interested in,i.e, the heroic failure. That isn't the case these days,however.This isn't an automatic top four club anymore.Had Wolves not been so bad for a two ten minute periods in the first half, a second consecutive away win at Liverpool was on the cards.Wolves had almost all of the first 10mins and then didn't have another move of note, until ten minutes later.In that time RJ had diverted Adams shot, that was going wide, passed WH and Liverpool had spent 10mins attacking us exclusively down our right side. RS was totally undone by Downing, Carroll and Suarez, in turn.SW at LB,conversely,was almost anonymous for the entire half, so one-sided was Liverpool's attack.It appeard to me, we were playing 4-1-3-1-1with KH between the defence and midfield and DE further forward of MJ,JOH and SH.KH saw most of the ball, for Wolves,in that half and did a good job of getting hold of the ball, without the need for much tackling.SH was hardly in the game but did set up DE with a square ball, from a FK on the edge of the box.The shot was struck well and was on target but Lucas blocked it from 7yds out.That had been the third FK we'd had from around the edge of the 18yd box,although the others came to nowt.Within 5mins, though,CB attempted to trap Suarez off-side, failed and left Suarez to beat WH at his near post. Both RJ and CB were less than impressive and had let two or three big punts upfield, from Reina,bounce around at the edge of our box.JOH created little of note and is yet to prove he's a play-maker worthy of keeping NM out of the side, indefinitely.I just don't think he possesses Ned's range of pass. 15-20yds seems to be his limit, with 80% of them going out wide, rather than directly as supply to KD and then SF. MJ was busy in the first 10mins, that Wolves dominated, but was quiet again until the second half.His best stuff came down the left,although he swapped wings,as usual, from time to time.Having seen us play Millwall I have to say MM's selections left me somewhat bemused. In order of merit,DE was fourth, in my opinion to AH,AG and NM.At least Gued eventually got on. RS going off for MD is just about the easiest substitute decision MM will ever have to make.Going 4-4-2 in the second half brought KH back into the middle, where he continued to get hold and give it to JOH with little of a battle from Liverpool.MJ was much better for longer in the second half and I reckon he got over a good 8 or 9 quality crosses in the match.Fletch showed why he appears to be our only goal-scorer, with a well taken goal. KD and SH were both off it, again.Doyle's falling over antics are now getting frustrating to watch, to say the least and Hunty hasn't given one of those spoiler performances he's renowned for, for a while now.AG looked eager and strong, again but was having to do it when we're already losing, again.There's nothing unusual, in fact quite the opposite, in finding your best team and formation, as you go through a season.I think it's safe to say, we're still finding ours.Our first three matches gained us 7/9 points. We're now 0/9 from the last three.Starting with George last week and Edwards this week, proved to be mistakes, foreseeable ones at that.SF simply HAS to be on the pitch, when he's available to play, not benched in favour of a fringe midfielder.At least Kights was dropped, at last.Nothing heroic in the failure, then Mick.The failure lay in the initial team selection and a couple of poor performances. Without a bad 20mins in the first half, then, who knows?Other results went our way and we're at home again next week. A win is required, now, to keep some distance between us and the bottom...P.S....Happy birthdays to SB and Mrs SB.Another good read,too,SB.
all4divisions
Up until the recent past, losing by the odd goal at Anfield, would have fallen into that category of results that MM declared he was not interested in,i.e, the heroic failure. That isn't the case these days,however.This isn't an automatic top four club anymore.Had Wolves not been so bad for a two ten minute periods in the first half, a second consecutive away win at Liverpool was on the cards.Wolves had almost all of the first 10mins and then didn't have another move of note, until ten minutes later.In that time RJ had diverted Adams shot, that was going wide, passed WH and Liverpool had spent 10mins attacking us exclusively down our right side. RS was totally undone by Downing, Carroll and Suarez, in turn.SW at LB,conversely,was almost anonymous for the entire half, so one-sided was Liverpool's attack.It appeard to me, we were playing 4-1-3-1-1with KH between the defence and midfield and DE further forward of MJ,JOH and SH.KH saw most of the ball, for Wolves,in that half and did a good job of getting hold of the ball, without the need for much tackling.SH was hardly in the game but did set up DE with a square ball, from a FK on the edge of the box.The shot was struck well and was on target but Lucas blocked it from 7yds out.That had been the third FK we'd had from around the edge of the 18yd box,although the others came to nowt.Within 5mins, though,CB attempted to trap Suarez off-side, failed and left Suarez to beat WH at his near post. Both RJ and CB were less than impressive and had let two or three big punts upfield, from Reina,bounce around at the edge of our box.JOH created little of note and is yet to prove he's a play-maker worthy of keeping NM out of the side, indefinitely.I just don't think he possesses Ned's range of pass. 15-20yds seems to be his limit, with 80% of them going out wide, rather than directly as supply to KD and then SF. MJ was busy in the first 10mins, that Wolves dominated, but was quiet again until the second half.His best stuff came down the left,although he swapped wings,as usual, from time to time.Having seen us play Millwall I have to say MM's selections left me somewhat bemused. In order of merit,DE was fourth, in my opinion to AH,AG and NM.At least Gued eventually got on. RS going off for MD is just about the easiest substitute decision MM will ever have to make.Going 4-4-2 in the second half brought KH back into the middle, where he continued to get hold and give it to JOH with little of a battle from Liverpool.MJ was much better for longer in the second half and I reckon he got over a good 8 or 9 quality crosses in the match.Fletch showed why he appears to be our only goal-scorer, with a well taken goal. KD and SH were both off it, again.Doyle's falling over antics are now getting frustrating to watch, to say the least and Hunty hasn't given one of those spoiler performances he's renowned for, for a while now.AG looked eager and strong, again but was having to do it when we're already losing, again.There's nothing unusual, in fact quite the opposite, in finding your best team and formation, as you go through a season.I think it's safe to say, we're still finding ours.Our first three matches gained us 7/9 points. We're now 0/9 from the last three.Starting with George last week and Edwards this week, proved to be mistakes, foreseeable ones at that.SF simply HAS to be on the pitch, when he's available to play, not benched in favour of a fringe midfielder.At least Kights was dropped, at last.Nothing heroic in the failure, then Mick.The failure lay in the initial team selection and a couple of poor performances. Without a bad 20mins in the first half, then, who knows?Other results went our way and we're at home again next week. A win is required, now, to keep some distance between us and the bottom...P.S....Happy birthdays to SB and Mrs SB.Another good read,too,SB.
all4divisions
Well I think that it is very true about finding your best formation and also your best team. I think that MM really has got to stick his neck out and make a choice though in one position. Right back. Young Doherty had a good game against Millwall and also a good half against Liverpool. Does he play him on saturday from the start as we all know that RS isn't up to the job! The next one is get AG on from the start instead of Henry, who didn't have a bad game on saturday but I just feel that AG gives us more options!!
supersparkes
Well I think that it is very true about finding your best formation and also your best team. I think that MM really has got to stick his neck out and make a choice though in one position. Right back. Young Doherty had a good game against Millwall and also a good half against Liverpool. Does he play him on saturday from the start as we all know that RS isn't up to the job! The next one is get AG on from the start instead of Henry, who didn't have a bad game on saturday but I just feel that AG gives us more options!!
supersparkes
I agree with both SS and A4D. I thought that Henry was OK but he has his limitations, especially if we want to go forward and/or play in a 4-4-2 formation. It's nonetheless ironic that he almost scored a goal against Spurs and his run led to Fletcher's goal yesterday. It's just that I feel that we want something more from a midfielder and AG would give us another attacking option, without sacrificing all of Henry's defensive capabilities. He is still raw and impetuous but at the moment the team wants someone with drive in the middle of the park. I totally agree with A4D's point about the relationship between the length of JOH's pass and its accuracy. He has the vision, but his long diagonal balls forward were invariably athered in by the Liverpool (and other) defences. NM, on the other hand, is far more accurate over a longer distance. I would be happy to put down the last three results to 'work in progress' if I felt that MM was learning from the experience. But, as A4D suggests, I doubt it. I hope will will sign McFadden because we need more fire-power upfront. When Fletcher is not there we are toothless. I am particularly disappointed with Doyle's form, which has dropped alarmingly this season. At the moment I would not play him, even in a 4-5-1 system, choosing Fletcher as the man to get on the end of the crosses. There remains the problem of controlling the midfield and moere effectively integrating the three units of th eteam.
Southbank60
I agree with both SS and A4D. I thought that Henry was OK but he has his limitations, especially if we want to go forward and/or play in a 4-4-2 formation. It's nonetheless ironic that he almost scored a goal against Spurs and his run led to Fletcher's goal yesterday. It's just that I feel that we want something more from a midfielder and AG would give us another attacking option, without sacrificing all of Henry's defensive capabilities. He is still raw and impetuous but at the moment the team wants someone with drive in the middle of the park. I totally agree with A4D's point about the relationship between the length of JOH's pass and its accuracy. He has the vision, but his long diagonal balls forward were invariably athered in by the Liverpool (and other) defences. NM, on the other hand, is far more accurate over a longer distance. I would be happy to put down the last three results to 'work in progress' if I felt that MM was learning from the experience. But, as A4D suggests, I doubt it. I hope will will sign McFadden because we need more fire-power upfront. When Fletcher is not there we are toothless. I am particularly disappointed with Doyle's form, which has dropped alarmingly this season. At the moment I would not play him, even in a 4-5-1 system, choosing Fletcher as the man to get on the end of the crosses. There remains the problem of controlling the midfield and moere effectively integrating the three units of th eteam.
Southbank60
... Oh, I agree with kiawolves points too.
Southbank60
... Oh, I agree with kiawolves points too.
Southbank60
Thank you SB my coments might seem harsh as we have just lost to Liverpool but Liverpool are not the team of years ago they were there for the takeing.MM seems to have a squad of 11-13 for the PL and what ever anybody else does in other matches does not make any difference come sat at 3.0cl.YES YESTERDAY WAS A VAST IMPROVEMENT on last week but the question still remains our we good enough and will MM ever drop one of his favourites if i was Milijas Hammil or Guedioura come Jan and still not playing would be asking for transfer.
kiawolves
Thank you SB my coments might seem harsh as we have just lost to Liverpool but Liverpool are not the team of years ago they were there for the takeing.MM seems to have a squad of 11-13 for the PL and what ever anybody else does in other matches does not make any difference come sat at 3.0cl.YES YESTERDAY WAS A VAST IMPROVEMENT on last week but the question still remains our we good enough and will MM ever drop one of his favourites if i was Milijas Hammil or Guedioura come Jan and still not playing would be asking for transfer.
kiawolves
I'd rather see AG start then KH,too,SB.In analysing yesterday's performance, however, I think it would be remiss not to mention those performances that were an improvement on last week's.KH is about as limited a footballer as you are likely to see at this level. As i've mentioned in my comment on the match, he didn't have to do much to gain possession of the ball but gain it he did. Liverpool's MF was hardly full of fight and intent and against better players(e.g. QPR'S) it would be a different story. Credit where it's due, though.Doyle has been worryingly inept of late, though, with a seemingly lingering injury worry over SF, what options do we have? I think KD knows that too, bytheway.
all4divisions
I'd rather see AG start then KH,too,SB.In analysing yesterday's performance, however, I think it would be remiss not to mention those performances that were an improvement on last week's.KH is about as limited a footballer as you are likely to see at this level. As i've mentioned in my comment on the match, he didn't have to do much to gain possession of the ball but gain it he did. Liverpool's MF was hardly full of fight and intent and against better players(e.g. QPR'S) it would be a different story. Credit where it's due, though.Doyle has been worryingly inept of late, though, with a seemingly lingering injury worry over SF, what options do we have? I think KD knows that too, bytheway.
all4divisions
Keeping all options open. No set formation. We can always deploy the lone striker when necessary - when apprehensive of the opposition, that is. I had said: 'as long as the possibility of 4-5-1 remains......' The temptation was there, Liverpool at Anfield, let's pack the midfield. MM was forced to save face at least, if not the points, by bringing on the additional striker. With your starting an anti-Doyle lobby, perhaps MM would abandon once and for all this cursed formation, SB. Unlike yourself, I would not replace Doyle. It is not necessary to do so. He will come good, unexpectedely. Just play another striker alongside him, that would do. My fears will be dispelled only if he is sold, though; altrenatively, if this damned formation is banned, and a written guarantee published by WW or MM to the effect. Only then.. Until then, I will remain a ghost.
lovesW
Keeping all options open. No set formation. We can always deploy the lone striker when necessary - when apprehensive of the opposition, that is. I had said: 'as long as the possibility of 4-5-1 remains......' The temptation was there, Liverpool at Anfield, let's pack the midfield. MM was forced to save face at least, if not the points, by bringing on the additional striker. With your starting an anti-Doyle lobby, perhaps MM would abandon once and for all this cursed formation, SB. Unlike yourself, I would not replace Doyle. It is not necessary to do so. He will come good, unexpectedely. Just play another striker alongside him, that would do. My fears will be dispelled only if he is sold, though; altrenatively, if this damned formation is banned, and a written guarantee published by WW or MM to the effect. Only then.. Until then, I will remain a ghost.
lovesW
LovesW: at the opening of your post you seemed to have dropped your intransigent opposition to a 4-5-1 formation, recognizing that one ahould keep one's options open. Then, with a flourish, you revert to your hard-core position. That's a rather inflexible stance. I suspect that most of us were happy with this set-up for the Liverpool match. The problem was the selection of an unfit Edwards, who could not operate effectively within that system. Guedioura should have played. Hammill should have started too, as Hunt and Jarvis were anonymous in the first half. On the other hand, you seem to think that I am turning away from 4-5-1 formation because I have criticized Doyle. And why not? The poor form he exhibited when playing for Ireland has continued thereafter. He is lacking in confidence and he will not perform up to his capabilities until he regains it. Or, is there an issue with a new contract? Sure, we did play 4-4-2 in the second half, though Doyle did not add much to it apart from fluffing a chance for himself or an assist for a colleague. However, did the change of system actually lead to more scoring opportunities? We did have more territorial possession in the second half but how many real chances did we engineer? Far fewer than Liverpool, who would have scored at least two more goals had it not been for the brilliance of Hennessey. It's not necessarily the system that is wrong - we have to adjust to circumstances - but rather the failure of individual players to fulfil their allotted tasks. Moreover, it's the job of the manager to assess his players' form and competence to perform them. For whatever reason, MM seems to be making errors.
Southbank60
LovesW: at the opening of your post you seemed to have dropped your intransigent opposition to a 4-5-1 formation, recognizing that one ahould keep one's options open. Then, with a flourish, you revert to your hard-core position. That's a rather inflexible stance. I suspect that most of us were happy with this set-up for the Liverpool match. The problem was the selection of an unfit Edwards, who could not operate effectively within that system. Guedioura should have played. Hammill should have started too, as Hunt and Jarvis were anonymous in the first half. On the other hand, you seem to think that I am turning away from 4-5-1 formation because I have criticized Doyle. And why not? The poor form he exhibited when playing for Ireland has continued thereafter. He is lacking in confidence and he will not perform up to his capabilities until he regains it. Or, is there an issue with a new contract? Sure, we did play 4-4-2 in the second half, though Doyle did not add much to it apart from fluffing a chance for himself or an assist for a colleague. However, did the change of system actually lead to more scoring opportunities? We did have more territorial possession in the second half but how many real chances did we engineer? Far fewer than Liverpool, who would have scored at least two more goals had it not been for the brilliance of Hennessey. It's not necessarily the system that is wrong - we have to adjust to circumstances - but rather the failure of individual players to fulfil their allotted tasks. Moreover, it's the job of the manager to assess his players' form and competence to perform them. For whatever reason, MM seems to be making errors.
Southbank60
SB it all comes down to some of these players are not good enough but MM seems to have a blinkered view on this because we are still in the PL. Tell me how is Edwards so special how does Elikobi get any where near the pitch never mind on it why does Berra keep falling over at vital moments what has happened to Jarvis and why are we still pickind Doyle when hes so out of form. The reason lack of transfer activity and as i have said MMs blind faith in some of these players they are not PL class and never will be.
kiawolves
SB it all comes down to some of these players are not good enough but MM seems to have a blinkered view on this because we are still in the PL. Tell me how is Edwards so special how does Elikobi get any where near the pitch never mind on it why does Berra keep falling over at vital moments what has happened to Jarvis and why are we still pickind Doyle when hes so out of form. The reason lack of transfer activity and as i have said MMs blind faith in some of these players they are not PL class and never will be.
kiawolves
my sentiment exactly kiawolves... though we were vastly better than a week ago.... we are still desperately light on talent and should have brought in more than just one (it has to be said average) defender
AdMant
my sentiment exactly kiawolves... though we were vastly better than a week ago.... we are still desperately light on talent and should have brought in more than just one (it has to be said average) defender
AdMant
The arguments put forward by the "all is rosy" camp, are being disproved by the week, without so much as a murmur from them.All players would be better than last season. All injured players coming back, would be as new signings.RJ on his own would cause his fellow defenders to perform better.MM had learned from previous mistakes regarding the selection of certain players(and the exclusion of others).At best these assertions were nothing but wishful thinking. What they were, was a series of non sequiturs,bland statements with no logic behind the conclusions they drew.Players will be better than last season because they have another season's experience, is a classic.
all4divisions
The arguments put forward by the "all is rosy" camp, are being disproved by the week, without so much as a murmur from them.All players would be better than last season. All injured players coming back, would be as new signings.RJ on his own would cause his fellow defenders to perform better.MM had learned from previous mistakes regarding the selection of certain players(and the exclusion of others).At best these assertions were nothing but wishful thinking. What they were, was a series of non sequiturs,bland statements with no logic behind the conclusions they drew.Players will be better than last season because they have another season's experience, is a classic.
all4divisions
Its never dull being a Wolves fan. Just think that it could always be worse tho... ....You could be an Arsenal fan!! Keeping the faith - UTW!!
Big Tasty
Its never dull being a Wolves fan. Just think that it could always be worse tho... ....You could be an Arsenal fan!! Keeping the faith - UTW!!
Big Tasty
Southbank, I was confident you would read between the lines; in this case, between the inverted commas. My three opening sentences are quotations, except for the qualification in the third, but since I quoted myself right afterwards, with inverted commas, I thought of omitting them when quoting other sources, for the elimination of the confusion about whom I am quoting, myself or others. You know I am and have been dead against 4-5-1, so in that context, my opening lines should have sounded only bewildering, at most. Or we can put it down to my imperfect command of the language, as long as the point is hopefully clear now. Yes, you are criticising Doyle. So much for your untouchable talisman. I foresaw that it would come to this sooner or later, banking on a system of play which in turn depends on the fitness or form or both together of one single element...on Guedioura we are agreed, on Hammill just about also, and Milijas you make no mention of, but I would say you see his introduction in midfield as desireable, at least..in my case, necessary. In my mind, MM's only error is this 4-5-1 up his sleeve (hence my reference to 'keeping options open' quotation')..I live in constant fear of the eventuality of its deployment, and I would say events are furnishing the reasons for it. The system IS wrong because, besides its dependance on a single player, it is defensive and unattractive and because when it fails, which is the case more often than not, it leaves its more offensive substitute the difficult task of making up a goal deficit, an even harder task in the PL.
lovesW
Southbank, I was confident you would read between the lines; in this case, between the inverted commas. My three opening sentences are quotations, except for the qualification in the third, but since I quoted myself right afterwards, with inverted commas, I thought of omitting them when quoting other sources, for the elimination of the confusion about whom I am quoting, myself or others. You know I am and have been dead against 4-5-1, so in that context, my opening lines should have sounded only bewildering, at most. Or we can put it down to my imperfect command of the language, as long as the point is hopefully clear now. Yes, you are criticising Doyle. So much for your untouchable talisman. I foresaw that it would come to this sooner or later, banking on a system of play which in turn depends on the fitness or form or both together of one single element...on Guedioura we are agreed, on Hammill just about also, and Milijas you make no mention of, but I would say you see his introduction in midfield as desireable, at least..in my case, necessary. In my mind, MM's only error is this 4-5-1 up his sleeve (hence my reference to 'keeping options open' quotation')..I live in constant fear of the eventuality of its deployment, and I would say events are furnishing the reasons for it. The system IS wrong because, besides its dependance on a single player, it is defensive and unattractive and because when it fails, which is the case more often than not, it leaves its more offensive substitute the difficult task of making up a goal deficit, an even harder task in the PL.
lovesW
LovesW: yes, Doyle has been our talisman and yes, I have criticized his loss of form ... but the two are not incompatible.One has to judge as one sees it and no human is perfect. I am hardly starting an anti-Doyle lobby by pointing out that he has lost form recently. He will regain it and will play an important role in the fortunes of the team, whether in a 4-5-1 formation or in the 4-4-2 variant. Doyle, at his best, selects himself as the front runner in a 4-5-1 formation but we are not dependent upon him, especially if we choose the right players behind him, individuals who can convert it quickly into a 4-3-3 set-up, for instance. The system did not fail on Saturday: RJ should have left Adam's shot alone and Suarez sprang the offside trap for the second. Players did not execute their tasks effectively. Neither did the 4-4-2 formation of the second half reward us with a bucketful of goals or even any real chances. A fortuitous bounce led to Fletcher's goal and thereafter neither of the two forwards managed to get on the end of a cross. Even so, I would prefer us to play in a 4-4-2 formation but we have lost games this season by failing to control the midfield and at Anfield it was reasonable to start with an extra man there. We'll have to do it again. Just as I wouldn't want us to play 4-5-1 all the time, with our squad we sometimes have to do so. Thinking about your childhood, I wonder what traumatic episode associated with a 4-5-1 formation gave you this pathological hatred of the set-up. It kept us in the PL in the first season! Like you, I had hoped we would not have needed it so often by now but, as we have done so little to improve our team in the transfer market, we cannot ditch it out of hand ... but that's another issue.
Southbank60
LovesW: yes, Doyle has been our talisman and yes, I have criticized his loss of form ... but the two are not incompatible.One has to judge as one sees it and no human is perfect. I am hardly starting an anti-Doyle lobby by pointing out that he has lost form recently. He will regain it and will play an important role in the fortunes of the team, whether in a 4-5-1 formation or in the 4-4-2 variant. Doyle, at his best, selects himself as the front runner in a 4-5-1 formation but we are not dependent upon him, especially if we choose the right players behind him, individuals who can convert it quickly into a 4-3-3 set-up, for instance. The system did not fail on Saturday: RJ should have left Adam's shot alone and Suarez sprang the offside trap for the second. Players did not execute their tasks effectively. Neither did the 4-4-2 formation of the second half reward us with a bucketful of goals or even any real chances. A fortuitous bounce led to Fletcher's goal and thereafter neither of the two forwards managed to get on the end of a cross. Even so, I would prefer us to play in a 4-4-2 formation but we have lost games this season by failing to control the midfield and at Anfield it was reasonable to start with an extra man there. We'll have to do it again. Just as I wouldn't want us to play 4-5-1 all the time, with our squad we sometimes have to do so. Thinking about your childhood, I wonder what traumatic episode associated with a 4-5-1 formation gave you this pathological hatred of the set-up. It kept us in the PL in the first season! Like you, I had hoped we would not have needed it so often by now but, as we have done so little to improve our team in the transfer market, we cannot ditch it out of hand ... but that's another issue.
Southbank60
Since you ask, SB. A traumatic episode...that SERIES of traumatic episodes went by the name of Inter Milan. I can name them: CSKA Sofia, Honved, Liverpool, Borussia Dormund, Ajax ..you will remember more. Besides the bribery. Wave after wave of attacks coming to nothing, the referee blowing non-existing free-kicks in Inter's favour, play -acting, then Suarez or Peiro' with the solitary incursion for a 1-0 win. Fouls galore, no yellow or red cards, and victory after victory for anti-football, the glamourous and attcking sides, those who played the game, outsted from the competition by thieves and actors. Only Jock Stein put paid to all that when he told his bhoys at half-time with Celtic 0-1 down: we are playing against 12 men, shoot from outside the area (where the referee cannot stop play). Reason enough, eh, Southbank?
lovesW
Since you ask, SB. A traumatic episode...that SERIES of traumatic episodes went by the name of Inter Milan. I can name them: CSKA Sofia, Honved, Liverpool, Borussia Dormund, Ajax ..you will remember more. Besides the bribery. Wave after wave of attacks coming to nothing, the referee blowing non-existing free-kicks in Inter's favour, play -acting, then Suarez or Peiro' with the solitary incursion for a 1-0 win. Fouls galore, no yellow or red cards, and victory after victory for anti-football, the glamourous and attcking sides, those who played the game, outsted from the competition by thieves and actors. Only Jock Stein put paid to all that when he told his bhoys at half-time with Celtic 0-1 down: we are playing against 12 men, shoot from outside the area (where the referee cannot stop play). Reason enough, eh, Southbank?
lovesW
I take you point but I don't think you have considered mine.
Southbank60
I take you point but I don't think you have considered mine.
Southbank60
The mention of the word 'trauma' impelled me to reply immediately with that alone in mind. Has a cure been found yet, I wonder? ...for I have not considered your point until now! Flexibility and adapting to circumstance makes sense, even 'catenaccio' might make sense, granted, but not to one suffering from the trauma of it. Not that MM will consider 10-0-1, but tell me, will he take a 0-0 result at Old Trafford or at the Bridge playing like that? Would you? I know I'd rather we lose matching or nearly matching the opponents at the game.
lovesW
The mention of the word 'trauma' impelled me to reply immediately with that alone in mind. Has a cure been found yet, I wonder? ...for I have not considered your point until now! Flexibility and adapting to circumstance makes sense, even 'catenaccio' might make sense, granted, but not to one suffering from the trauma of it. Not that MM will consider 10-0-1, but tell me, will he take a 0-0 result at Old Trafford or at the Bridge playing like that? Would you? I know I'd rather we lose matching or nearly matching the opponents at the game.
lovesW
I'd accept a pont at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge, without hesitation! I wouldn't "rather lose", under any circumstances(that I can imagine).That statement ranks up there with: "I'd rather talk to people that know nothing about football", than be argued with.That stood out on it's own, from anything i'd previously read on here...until now. Bona fide jaw droppers.
all4divisions
I'd accept a pont at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge, without hesitation! I wouldn't "rather lose", under any circumstances(that I can imagine).That statement ranks up there with: "I'd rather talk to people that know nothing about football", than be argued with.That stood out on it's own, from anything i'd previously read on here...until now. Bona fide jaw droppers.
all4divisions
I would take a point any where to me the problem stems from lack of goal scoreing oppotunities according to reports we had more possesion than LP Spurs and against Villa as well. But when it came to chances created or corners or shots at goal we were way behind last season was the same least shots at goal by any team.Yet in fletcher we do have a real goal scorer as proved last season where is it going wrong is the final ball not good enough or are we not geting enough people forward.Third season now and same problems cant score just watched NORWICH -SUNDERLAND match now to of the teams that have come up are above us and scored more goals which is a bit worrying.
kiawolves
I would take a point any where to me the problem stems from lack of goal scoreing oppotunities according to reports we had more possesion than LP Spurs and against Villa as well. But when it came to chances created or corners or shots at goal we were way behind last season was the same least shots at goal by any team.Yet in fletcher we do have a real goal scorer as proved last season where is it going wrong is the final ball not good enough or are we not geting enough people forward.Third season now and same problems cant score just watched NORWICH -SUNDERLAND match now to of the teams that have come up are above us and scored more goals which is a bit worrying.
kiawolves
LovesW: damn right I would accept a point at OT and SB. I'll take my points however clunkily we obtain them. However, I take the point you made in an earlier thread that if we play well, we are more likely to pick up points. But, as kiawolves has just pointed out, we are not performing the basic aspects of the game well enough, that is, scoring goals and preventing the other side from netting them. Poor team selection hasn't helped.
Southbank60
LovesW: damn right I would accept a point at OT and SB. I'll take my points however clunkily we obtain them. However, I take the point you made in an earlier thread that if we play well, we are more likely to pick up points. But, as kiawolves has just pointed out, we are not performing the basic aspects of the game well enough, that is, scoring goals and preventing the other side from netting them. Poor team selection hasn't helped.
Southbank60
A4D, Kia, SB: ah, I see.
lovesW
A4D, Kia, SB: ah, I see.
lovesW
 

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