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Was Vokes the difference?

It might have only been a seven minute appearance but was Sam Vokes the reason behind our comeback against Swansea?

That's the question posed by AMJ1983 who asks: Do you, like me, believe that it was actually the 3rd substitution of bringing Vokes on for SEB, which nobody booed, was actually the reason why we came back into game against Swansea?

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Writer: Akela Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday October 25 2011

Time: 2:23PM

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He might not have put the ball in the net himself, but his initial shot did lead to Kevin Doyle's goal, whilst his run was crucial to the build-up of Jamie O'Hara's equaliser.
Akela
I thought the complete breakdown in discipline and shape of the Swansea defence was the reason we nicked an undeserved point.
all4divisions
It's a pity but I have just wiped out the Sky Sports and MOTD recordings of the match so I can't watch the action over and over again. My notes, taken at the time, make the following observations: Goal 1: KD converts a rebound after a neat turn and shot from Vokes. Goal 2: Good interplay down the left wing; JOH scores; great pass across from KD to JOH. Recalling the action, I believe that Vokes was involved in the build-up to the second goal and, as he was on the spot with his shot (though hit at the goalie), which led to the first goal, he must be given some credit. And, as my notes also claim, he was an improvement on SEB. So, he did make a difference but was it a greater contribution than the panic in the Swansea defence?
Southbank60
Clearly SEB wasn't fit so IMHO he should probably have been on sooner if sticking to 4-4-2. The last 10 mins papered over a few large cracks and the Poor Swansea defence imploded on itself. sitting back against Swansea was stupid tactically. Personally, i'd have put Ward upfront with Doyle from the start. At least Wardy can jockey defences. Also, for me....the fact that Hunt wasn't playing was ridiculous. He is our match winner....he's creative, hungry and willing to track back and defend (unlike Jarvis). I think Berra should have been dropped for Craddock too. RJ needs someone alongside him with a footballing head (not a rugby player). I think its time to go back to 4-5-1 while Flecther is missing. We are simply not good enough to play 4-4-2. As for Mick firing shots at the fans......what a numpty. Regardless of their opinions the second you turn on your own fans you are F***ed.
Rustmonkey
The problem with putting Ward upfront, Rusty, is that Elokobi has to come in at LB and that started the defensive rot in the first place. If we had an adequate replacement, I would agree with you, that is, if we could rely upon our four man midfield to hold the line and the back four to cut out the elementary mistakes.
Southbank60
I do like Vokes, but I wouldn't put him ahead of SEB just yet. As for tactics, i would start with a 4-2-2-1-1. That is the usual back 4 but with Zubes at RB, Ned and KH sitting infront of RJ & Berra holding, with Ned breaking when possible to join the attack and link play, Ady and JOH in attack mid positions (not out and out wing play), Doyle sitting just ahead in the pocket looking to drop deep and link, and SEB, who should be looking to play off the last man or be in the box waiting for his chance. Regardless of lineups or tactics though, at this stage confidence and organisation is the key. Sadly, we look worryingly short on both. Lets hope we do better than Utd. UTW!!!
BIG TASTY
Interesting team selection, BT. It reflects MM's thinking in recent matches, that is, withdrawing one or both out-and-out wingers in order to stengthen the midfield, while still retaining an attacking option. In my report of the Swansea game I suggested something similar. The two MC matches give us a great opportunity to try it out as there is no pressure on us ... except when the goals against reach double figures, of course.
Southbank60
Vokes did make a difference but only becaues for the first time we got a decent cross in and Swansea defence were all over the place the same for the second why couldnt do that from start.
kiawolves
Don't mention double figures,SB!Gulp! Lets just hope City keep it social. Winning a cup-tie 1-0 is exactly the same as 10-0...so there's just no need for it.
all4divisions
As we know to our cost, it's not always possibly to defend a 1-0 lead, though, to be sociable, I would expect MC to relax after they had stuck four or five in the back of our net by half time. We can only hope to play the 'lame duck' card in order to induce complacency. Even better, if we deliberatley make mistakes - no problem there, then - and ship a few goals later today, we can hit them with a couple of goals before they wake up on Saturday. Well, it's the only way I can see us winning in the PL match. Hey, it worked at home last year and almost succeeded at Eastlands.
Southbank60
I can see it going one of two ways tonight. Play like we have been and get completely hammered or play much better, defend well as a team and still get hammered. UTW!!
BIG TASTY
Well the wingers especially jarvis are not doing the job, we have seen that over the last few games. If MM starts the game tonight with the same CC side that he has done, there will be a difference. get rid of Stearman and also have NM and AG starting, perhaps Mick if that works you could try starting them in the league!!
SUPERSPARKES
I agree, SS, but what do the letters 'CC' stand for ... something rude?
Southbank60
I would pick Hunt over Jarvis any day of the week.
Rustmonkey
Me too, Rusty, all things being equal. I still remember Hunt's performance against WBA last season. He continued his good run of form through the summer internationals but then, inextricably, lost it just when we need it.
Southbank60
Hunt is a better player than Jarvis! He runs and runs!! SB CC stands for Carling Cup!! LOL...me be rude!!!!
SUPERSPARKES
Ah, of course, SS. I am glad that you didn't mean 'crappy and clumsy' or I would have lost my faith in the essential good naturedness of WW fans when considering MM and the team.
Southbank60
LOL as if I would say anything like that about the starting 11 on Saturday. I wouldn't want to upset Mick would I, especially not our class right back Richard Stearman!!
SUPERSPARKES
I had 'clumsy' as the first word, but the second word was a plural.
all4divisions
LOL very true, my wife decided to take my daughters out after 20 minutes!!! The C bomb was dropped more than a few times I have to say! What is it we have all been saying on here bring in AG and NM. They were the difference not Vokes!!!
SUPERSPARKES
Well, that's blocked that option for MM, Supersparkes!
Southbank60
I was the first to suggest Nenad and Adlene start, now I see the chance against ManC. Points are not at stake tonight, and winning the Cup was a long shot from the start - so I'd say MM will go for it. It will bring back the notion that WW reserve their best for the best. A forecast.
lovesW
LovesW: does that mean you are a convert to 4-5-1 formation or perhaps wingless 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 systems?
Southbank60
SB any system has to be better than the one that MM is trying at the moment!! The main thing i want him to do is to drop Stearman and bring in doherty! Saturday proved that Stearman is not up to the job. Look at the second half on Saturday, when we were playing with 2 left wingers. the ammount of space on the right was just stupid, and yet he never moved beyond the half way line!!
SUPERSPARKES
If you must have systems and numbers, Southbank, what would you make of these eleven: WH; Zubar, Berra, Johnson, Ward, Guedioura,Hammill, Milijas, Hunt, Fletcher, Jarvis. Three wingers? No problem -two on either side on the ground, the other 'flying' to whichever flank is opportune at any given moment! Seriously, these eleven are the best, that I can see. At least, have the best players on the field. An armchair tactician or a numbers/formation juggler can do the rest.
lovesW
 

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